4.5 (5.0 for both Volumes) on Movie Lens Scale.
Just got back from the sequel to the Murder of William. Terrific. Just terrific. The 'cheesy', retro gore of the first is not as prominent, but the dialogue and action are still amazing. Main reason that I don't rate it a 5 is that it "requires" the first for completeness, though it is enjoyable on its own. The time just flew by in the theater.
The trailer for Hero also showed some promise for Crouching Tiger fans.
Posted by shs4 at April 17, 2004 01:55 AM | TrackBackIt was good, but the two would have been better if they were edited down into 1 film. I watched the two parts back to back Thursday night, and the second movie has the feel of a "director's cut" or something--there's far too many slow, awkwardly paced parts.
For example, I think they could have done away with Budd completely and shaved about an hour off the movie...
Don't get me wrong, I liked KB2... it's just that KB1 was excellent, whereas KB2 is just very good.
Posted by: Dave at April 17, 2004 03:50 AMis the five point palm exploding heart technique a real martial arts technique? If so how is it done?
Unfortunately I believe the five point palm exploding heart technique only exists in that magical make-believe land where one can deftly pluck out a person's eye ball and punch their way out of 6 feet deep graves.
Posted by: boo at April 26, 2004 04:32 PMHero has been out for a long time now... You can buy it already. I saw it like 5 months ago or somethin, its hella tight.
Posted by: NinjaPan at May 11, 2004 05:56 PMI know the Five Point Palm exploding heart technique is fake. But she actually punched her way out of the wooden box, but she did climb up all that sand. But I do believe one can snatch out someones eye. Its possible
Posted by: KillBiller at January 16, 2005 01:06 PMThere is such thing as a five-point-pal exploding-heart technique. I have studied the eagles-claw and tiger-crane kung-fu fighting styles for twenty years and though I cannot perform it, I have seen it been done by my old master but it's not the same.
Posted by: Budd rocks at February 7, 2005 12:36 PMOnly yesterday saw kill bill 2 and 5 point 5 step exploding heart technique... but the most I liked was black mamba... :-) meow meow
Posted by: Inky Pinky at February 11, 2005 11:58 PMWell guess wat i have proof!
www.killbill-stunts.com go there and look at the Attacks/Tehniques Page it Actaully SHOWS u the 5 pressure points where to hit them
Posted by: Bill at February 17, 2005 05:08 PMDude, that domain isn't even registered. Perhaps I should purchase it and put up a history of all the assassination attempts on Bill Gates.
Posted by: boo at February 17, 2005 05:50 PMthe five point exploding heart technique is possible in theory, but the technique does not acctually exist. In Taoist philosophy, every pressure point on the body directly correlates with one of the 12 meridian, which are your organs. Over stimulation by a dim mak/qi kung master will cause the adrenal gland to overproduce the ether causing a poisoning effect on organ. In this case, bai mei uses the points located on the heart meridian. It is possible cause a heart attack, probably sounds better as heart explosion. 2 steps, 4 steps, 500 steps. This all has to do with how well the master can control the qi (adrenaline).
Posted by: masterkiller at March 21, 2005 07:00 PMThe 5 Point Palm Exploding Heart Techinique exists. Though it isn't a Technique I practise Daily, It does work. The whole 5 steps and then you die shit is what i just said...SHIT. But the whole principle of the Technique is blood flow.
Id rather not let you know the location of the points as i would be betaying the confidence of my teachers. But I will explain the theory.
The idea of the Technique is that you simply strike 5 major blood vessels surrounding the heart and then you strike the heart in a certain way. And the heart induces a heart attack upon itself. Thus a Vascosis is producd casuing the heart tissue to eat away on itself causing deteriation in a matter of seconds. Thus the "exploding" myth.
To strike the blood vessels would take extreme amount of power only developed through resistance training of which the Chinese were not known for. What you are suggesting is that a man from China developed a technique that attacks the vessels not once but five times in a fight which will last no more than 3 seconds. This is not practical especially for a Taoist like Bei Mei. Two reasons: one is that a taoist never resists, only goes with the flow. Therefore, a taoist knows no resistance training: two is that a taoist relys on simplicity and practicality. 5 attacks plus one for the heart is not practical in such a fight, life or death. I'm not saying that the technique won't work. What I'm saying is that your approach is not practical. Rather, produce extreme amounts of ether from the adrenal gland to enhance the technique. Here's a secret that I don't mind sharing with you. All advanced techniques in Chinese martial arts relys on adrenaline. Meditation, qi kung, dim mak... Using mind control to allow more adrenaline to flow through the body. Studies show that on average people use only a quarter teaspoon of adrenaline in a lifetime. This ether is very strong. Think back to the stories you probably heard: a man is working under a car and the car falls on him. In a panic, the wife is able to lift the 2 ton car off of her husband. This is called uncontrolled internal qi kung (nei dan). Accupressure and puncture stimulate pressure points releasing the ether along with endorphines to protect the area and boost the immune system. This is external qi kung, also the basis to develop a technique similar to your 5 point exploding heart technique. Attack the points, overstimulate the gland, poison the organ. Basic knowledge for all advance styles of kung fu, including my style Sil Lum Hung Gar Chuan Sare Pao Sup Ying Pai. If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to help you with your training. Best Wishes. Master Killer
Posted by: masterkiller at March 22, 2005 08:43 PMid like that, im a 2nd degree ninjutsu teacher so kung fu and taoist techniques arent my area of expertise but your help would be much appreciated. Im much into the Taoist Techniques though so like i said id be more than happy to learn.
Posted by: Instructor at March 23, 2005 12:02 PMQi is the cantonese term for adrenaline. From here on I will refer only to qi. Qi kung literaly translates to perfection of adrenaline. Internal is through mind control. External is through an outside forced influence.
You'll need some equipment: 1 iron palm bag.
This training is Iron Palm with emphasis on Dim Mak (qi disruption). Best to begin early in the morning when qi is strongest between 5am and 6am. If this is not practical for you, thats ok. Lite meditation as internal qi kung will start you off nicely.
10 minutes of Ch'an (Zen) meditation. Since you already have advanced training, you may want to strike the iron plam bag in horse stance. If not you can sit. Whatever you choose, make sure that the table or chair that the iron palm bag sits on is no higher or lower than your dan tien (where your adrenal gland and center of gravity is located, 3 inches below your belly button). Before you strike the bag, run your hands under warm/hot water and massage them to relax the muscles and stimulate the pressure points (5 minutes). In either horse stance or sitting, raise your hand head level and let gravity bring your hand to the bag. Do the same with the opposite hand. Repeat. After 50 times, rinse your hands under warm/hot water and massage. Return to position. This time repeat using the back of the hand. This is the first step, which I call Dim Mak Level I. Of course, this is all you really need but I teach my students to level 5.
The secret to this style is practice. Try for every day but no less than 4 days a week. If you train every day for three months, you will be able to slap through concrete slabs. Increase the amount of times you hit the bag at your discretion. Please feel free to ask any questions. A great Taoist philosopher and Tai Qi master is Erle Montaigue. He has a web site with alot of free stuff including all pressure points on the body and how they affect organs. Best wishes Master Killer
thank you, im most intrigued by your knowledge and would like to learn more, if this is possible of course, i would also like the address of the website you mentioned, that would be much appreciated.
Taichiworld.com is his address. Make sure you search his whole website. There are alot of free things to download. His appearance comes across somewhat crude but never judge a book by his cover. His chosen style does not suit my interest but he knows a great deal about dim mak and the meridians of the body. He is the first american to learn taichi. If you are interested in my style, go to a search engine and type in Hung Gar. Currently, there are a few grandmasters. My lineage stems from Lam Jo and his son Lam Chun Fai. Also look into the Chui Kao system and Dong Fong system. These are sects of the Hung Clan.
Please keep me posted on your training. You will see results in less than two weeks. I gaurentee it. Best Wishes MasterKiller.
The training technique that I taught you is a more practical approach to your 5 point exploding heart. Please feel free to ask me any question.
Posted by: masterkiller at March 24, 2005 08:10 PMThe Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique do really exists. You can check it out from the Shaolin's Official Website http://www.shaolin.org.cn/asp/lec_chapter.asp?LecID=55 (Try to use language tool to translate it to English since its in Simplified Chinese)they didn't teach you how to do Five Point Palm, but explains to you all the deadly adrenaline point in a human's body. In addition, you also need to know an internal kung fu, for example "Iron Sand Palm" or "Red Sand Palm" or "Five Poisons Hand" in order to use "Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique" The easiest and less painful way to learn the internal kung fu would probably be "Iron Sand Palm" it takes only 100 days to train with no permanent "side effect", while the other two takes 3-10 years to train and may cause side effect like arthritis. I just want to add in what masterkiller had told us while learning the "Iron Sand Palm", please be aware that you must apply your hand a chinese herb medicine call "Tit Dar Jau" in Cantonese, 1 hour before you hit the sand bag, and apply again when you finished. You can get it at any Chinese Pharmacy in Chinatown, just ask for "Tit Dar Jau". Moreover, when you try to hit the sand bag everytime, breath out(This is to train the qi). Last warning, by simply learning "Iron Sand Palm" is already enough to seriously injure or kill a person with one strike on their body. Use only when necessary!
Posted by: ein at March 26, 2005 09:34 AMIn reality, the Dit Da Jow (Hit and Fall Liniment) is like a bengay or tiger balm. It aids in faster recovery time. Depending on the type of Jow you use, the faster the recovery. If you do go to china town, the herbs are not particularly useful for iron palm since it is missing some key ingredients like Tiger Bone which contains a rare hormone allowing a tiger to have extremely dense bones and strong muscles. Tiger Bone is illegal in the US so you have to have it imported. Typically speaking, most Jow have very little effects without the Tiger Bone. Dit Dar or Tit Dar is bone setting. Many styles of kung fu still teach this, including Hung Gar. I keep my Tiger Bone dit da jow on hand for emergencies, but I never really used it for my iron body training. To be honest, the iron body, iron palm...qi kung training works as a healer, stimulating the adrenal gland and releasing endorphins, the body heals the area without any elixir. If you are interested in dit dar or some kung fu dit da jow recipes, you may want to look up Dr. Yang, Jwing Ming. He is a licensed physician and master of dit dar, acupressure, acupuncture.... Also, make sure you know what you are getting in china town. They like to mess with Americans. You may get what you didnt ask for.
Remember: dont get caught up in details and whats right and whats wrong and who said what. The only secret in kung fu is just practice with patience. Practice hard and practice well. Only then you can succeed in kung fu. The answers will reveal themselves through training. These masters who invented the techniques were taoists and buddhist. Their philosophy is that we come from the Ultimate Truth. Therefore, the Ultimate Truth is in us, a part of who we are. We just have to search within us to find the answers. Simplicity is the key. Hit the Iron Palm Bag as I described earlier and youre as good as whot choi (gold). Of course, "I cannot force you to do this. Only set an example and hope you become enlightened" as Tamo Bodhidharma and Gautma Sidhartha said. All I can tell you is that through my training as I described, I was soon able to slap through bricks, punch through cinderblocks (seperate training), jab my fingertips through slabs of concrete (seperate training), and stimulate other peoples points just by touching them. Of course, with Iron Body, there is about 15 other qi kung exercises which include both internal and external training. If you are interested in anything, please ask. Best wishes. Master Killer.
Posted by: masterkiller at March 26, 2005 09:25 PMI forgot to mention that Japanese and Korean styles dont particularly use a linament and rarely complain of any side effects. Master Killer.
Posted by: masterkiller at March 26, 2005 10:46 PMI learned something about Tit Dar Jau and Tiger bone, thank you masterkiller. I'm still in the early stage of Iron Sand Palm training, day by day I can feel some "warmth" producing on my hands, but my hands were not sore or injure. I'll try to follow your techniques in practicing. Was Tamo Bodhidharma the founder of the "Golden Bell Shield"? Is Iron Body same as "Golden Bell Shield"? I heard he became immortal when he reached the twelve phase of "Golden Bell Shield" and he was the only person in history reach that phase. I think Japanese and Korean martial arts mainly concentrate in techniques and external force, while the Chinese Kung Fu are more to internal force.
Posted by: ein at March 27, 2005 12:25 AMI forgot to say that the "Tit dar Jau" I'm using was imported from China, includes the ingrdients of "Snake Gall Bladder" and "Deer Tendor". Do you know what these two things do?
Posted by: ein at March 27, 2005 12:39 AMTo find out what those ingredients are for, you may have to consult a taoist alchemist or trace the lineage of the physician who invented the dit da jow that you are using. Research shows that many ingrediants have no benefits and are only used because of tradition and folk lore.
Make sure that you train everyday. There is alot of say about training when the weather is bad and so on... Do not worry about this. It is very minor details. ie, Mung beans, which is common for beginners, is a fairly new idea. Traditionally, iron and lead shots were used from the start. In the early stages of training, do not worry about your breathing. This will overcomplicate things. Just breathe normal.
There are many theories about what tamo did, but what is known for sure is that he was a master of an Indian fighting style called the 18 Lohan techniques. Originally, they were used as a form of exercise for the "lazy monks." Evolution took its course. He also introduced Ch'an Buddhism aka Zen Buddhism. It was from the School of Gradual Enlightenment. Very simple philosophy, "just meditate."
The iron bell or golden bell is more of an internal qi kung rather than the external iron body. The bodys qi acts as a sheild through mind control rather than outside influence as it is with iron body. Qi kung started during the taoist revolution many years after tamo got things rolling.
As far as immortality, buddhist dont believe in the same sense of living forever. The philosophy is very in detail so there is no way that I can get into that. Go to a search engine and type in Buddha, or Buddhist. Religion Taoism believe in immortality, but that is also very detailed.
Japanese and Korean are the "hard styles" of martial arts not because of the common belief that they only train external techniques but because they believe in training external first, internal later. Internal is considered very advanced training to the "hard stylists." Since the chinese are more deeply routed in taoism, both are trained together. Keep the balance. Even Tai Qi Chuan has "hard" training and "hard" techniques. Even the most simple qi kung training "3 circle" contains external conditioning. I hope this may clearify things. Best Wishes. Master Killer
Posted by: masterkiller at March 27, 2005 12:04 PMJust out of curiousity, who (or what) are you learning your iron sand palm from?
Master Killer
Posted by: masterkiller at March 27, 2005 01:00 PMA friend came from China taught me the skills. He's also able to break stack of bricks, concretes, wooden stool, with his iron palm. I was told that the Iron Sand Palm was originally a Shaolin style kung fu, later adopted by other styles. I only know that he learn this from his sifu(master) back in China.
Posted by: ein at March 27, 2005 04:57 PMOriginally, all asian martial arts came from the shaolin temple in Honan province. My style was develop for war by the head Abbot, Abbot Chee Sin Sum See (master killer) during the reign of the Manchurians (qing dynasty). A complete style of the most deadly techniques from shaolin made up the 36th chamber, a secret chamber to teach rebels. Hung Hei Kwan was his best disciple. Hung Hei Kwan became the leader of the Blood Fist Clan, Hung Gar. Of course, Iron Palm, Iron Body, qi kung was all part of the system. This lineage was passed down to what it is today.
All styles can be traced back to shaolin this way. Tamo later migrated to Korea then Japan with the lohan techniques and Chan (Zen) buddhism.
It seems that youve found a diamond in the rough with your sifu. It is hard to find a credited and truly respectable sifu. Good luck to you with your training. Keep me posted with your progress, and you are always welcome to ask me anything. Best Wishes. Master Killer
Posted by: masterkiller at March 27, 2005 08:36 PMNow, contruary to popular belief, the "five point palm....etc." is based around the Cellur Haptosis Theory, I belive the term someone mentioned in this forum was a Vascosis, which is quite right. When the heart's major blood vessels are struck they temporarily clot as a safety measure because the vessels think the body is under attack, but then to clot temporarily all 5 points and then to strike the heart causes the heart to spurt blood through the vessels , which it cant do as the vessels have been clotted. Also may i ask master killer, when you say resistance training was not used by the chinese, then what is puncheing through a piece of wood 2 inches thick with one hand at a three inch distance called, becuase i swear i thought that was resistance training, i could be wrong obviously but still just a thought.
My appologies for any spelling mistakes or gramatical problems as this was typed in a very short space of time very fast thanks again, Hirojio.
Though your Cellur Heptoses Theory may be true, it is not practical. To attack 6 points with pin-point accuracy with enough power against a nonrational aggressor in a matter of a few seconds in a life or death combat situation (because of course that would be the only reason someone would use the technique, to kill someone to save oneself) is not realistic enough for the philosophers, scholars, and physicians of "Taoist and Buddhist Schools of Thought" to further develop into a technique reliable enough for a "life or death" situation.
Remember, the emergence of martial arts was born through war. Kill or be killed. To be merciful to your enemy is to be cruel to yourself. When in war, the fastest kill is the most efficient. You don’t have time for a 3 minute boxing round.
Realistically, the fastest kill is the best. But using your Cellur Heptoses Theory is not realistic in combat. Therefore, we must continue to use Taoist philosophies of qi and accupoints. Please review my previous posts.
What I mean by resistance training is weight (resistance) training to develop power. Weight training is not practical. It slows you down and binds you up. The power training you suggest is actually an external qi kung exercise developed by Taoist and later adopted by numerous stylists. Bruce Lee was famous for his "one inch punch." Wing Tsun incorporates this qi kung in everyday routine.
Simplicity is the Key!
Master Killer
Qi doesn't exist.
Acupoints don't exist.
Blows to explode the heart don't exist.
Sorry to disappoint you.
Posted by: blark at April 19, 2005 06:56 AMEnlighten me "blark." Explain your thoughts on the "non-existence" of qi.
And "boo," what do you mean by volunteer?
Master Killer
"Qi" do exist, but not all human beings aware of it. Some concepts in internal kung fu needed to feel the existence of "Qi" Scientific terms often use electromagnetic waves to describe "Qi".
Meridians and Acupoints do exist, there have been experiments where acupoints have been found through mapping skin electrical resistances.
If Acupoints exist, Heart Exploding Technique do exist as well, and is not something new. This technique appears in Kill Bill 2, however; if any of u ever heard a Japanese comics or animation "Hokuto no Ken" aka "Fist of North Star" back in the 80's. The main character use a technique by pressing the opponent's acupoints and make his body explode.
excuse me. this is all a load of bullshit. you guys suck. there is no term as "vascosis". seriosuly. all this martial arts jingoism leads nowhere. you are no closer to manipulating electromagnetic fields than u are to controlling your pathetic wandering minds. and honsetly japanese animation of the 80's is NOT a reliable source of information. example. no martial arts master can accelerate upwards spontaneously. you fools. there is no way to exert a force on yourself to make yourself accelerate. you are an ISOLATED system. here go read something about physics.
Posted by: ncrphg at May 27, 2005 01:58 AMyes the technique is real when you release a wave from your palm to living being its internal organs will bust.
there was a storie in our town that my dad saw with his own eyes back then when china was poor a rich visitor came with bars of gold and he asked who ever can with stand one kick from his horse will have all he want from that stack.
alot have tryed but most have died since suffering fatal injuries from the kick but
then a shoalin monk came and told the man
if i with stand the kick can i have a stroke of your horse after one kick there was no damage seem to be be done to him at all and he sweep the print of his chest then with 1 quick strike the horse was down .
later on the owner of the horse open the horse to see what have happend his organs above its stomach is busted to a goo substence and the spine was broken.
you see the technique of iron plam is to release a wave of force that will break solid objects like a stack of stones but when you use it on a flexable object like stack of wood you might only manage to break the first board.
since the organs obsorb the wave of impacted its organs cant hold its natural state so it will burst.
Posted by: im right at June 7, 2005 10:43 PMThat's some weird shit. But you know, weird shit happened when china was poor.
Posted by: i like to say poor at June 16, 2005 11:48 AM Please refer to previous comments that I posted. I'm sure you all will find a reasonable explaination for "qi." Of course, physics and anatomy make up Taoism, you just have to bridge the gap between Eastern and Western philosophy. If you are interested in any of these subjects I would love to converse ideas.
Here is a simple external qi kung exercise for anyone who wants to test ancient chinese martial arts theories. External qi kung will give the "energy" to break bricks, concrete slabs, organs, etc.... Simply take a common house brick and punch it with your 2 end knuckles (pointer finger knuckle and middle finger knuckle) and 3 end knuckles (middle, ring, pinky finger knuckles). Do 50 2 end knuckle punches and 50 3 end knuckle punches as you would do a regular punch, but much softer. Do this exercise everyday. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask. There are some massaging and preparation techniques along with asian medicine that will enhance and speed up the cultivation process but training can be done without it.
This external qi kung is called "iron fist."
Best Wishes
Master Killer
Please refer to previous comments that I posted. I'm sure you all will find a reasonable explaination for "qi." Of course, physics and anatomy make up Taoism, you just have to bridge the gap between Eastern and Western philosophy. If you are interested in any of these subjects I would love to converse ideas.
Here is a simple external qi kung exercise for anyone who wants to test ancient chinese martial arts theories. External qi kung will give to the "energy" to break bricks, concrete slabs, organs, etc.... Simply take a common house brick and punch it with your 2 end knuckles (pointer finger knuckle and middle finger knuckle) and 3 end knuckles (middle, ring, pinky finger knuckles). Do 50 2 end knuckle and 50 3 end knuckle punches as you would do a regular punch, but much softer. Do this exercise everyday. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask. There are some massaging and preparation techniques along with chinese medicine that will enhance and speed up the cultivation process but training can be done without it.
This external qi kung is called "iron fist."
Best Wishes
Master Killer
Masterkiller, how can someone increase their Qi for everyday use? Not for martial arts, or for learning killing techniques. Just for day to day activities. Say for example, a sport?
Posted by: XpLiCiT at June 24, 2005 11:37 PMXplicit, that is a good question. Qi kung can be used for anything you want, but you may need to make slight adjustments to suit your intentions. For example, I would definately recommend "iron shin", "1000lb kick", "1000lb horse stance", and "no shadow kick" for anyone who wants to play soccer. These external qi kung would make your soccer skills unmatchable. Of course, I can probably find other qi kung to enhance soccer skills but off the top of my head these would seem to be the most beneficial. As I am sitting here, volleyball just came to mind. Without a doubt I would recommend "Iron Palm" and "1000lb horse stance." What sport did you have in mind?I would be more than happy to consult and assist you in your training!
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer, thanks for the info you've posted. A couple of years ago, I practiced breaking clay tiles for a few days after my tai chi teacher showed the class an iron palm technique. After striking the tiles about 5 - 10 times using the palm technique for striking a djembe (african drum), there came a moment when I suddenly felt conneced with the tile and the next strike shattered it. Afterward, I noticed a exhuberant, happy feeling that radiated from my heart region and up across my shoulders. It was cool, but I didn't keep it up; and a new baby disrupted my regular tai chi practice (as they tend to do). I'm revving up my practice again and will try the iron palm training.
Thanks!
Well Marco, now you have a new motive to continue your training: Protecting your family. This will keep your yang strong while training your yin, balance is a must. Good luck and best wishes!
Master Killer
Are you people insane? This shit cant be real!
With all regards and stuff I respect that you people think this can happen.
But bo offense,
there is no f***ing way this is possible. If it was possible then tell the points to hit and how.
As I have mentioned before, the 5 point exploding heart technique is possible in theory, but not practical. Rather, use the 1 point exploding heart technique, except the heart doesn't explode, it is poisoned by the body's own reaction to the technique, primarily by adrenaline overdose. Da chih guan means "striking the organs." To strike the organs you must attack the accupoints that coorespond to the organs. There are over 700 pressure points in the body with 10's of points directly coorelated to the heart.
This Taoist philosophy is very easy to understand and learn about. Now, all you have to do is get yourself an accupoint map and buy a book that explains what points on the body will affect what organs. Add this with the "iron fist" qi kung that I had described in a previous comment and you have the answer to your question.
The only problem with this is that even though I told everyone how to do it, only a few will try it and even less will have enough motivation to continue training and master the technique.
Dear Master Killer,
I have tried your qi kung exercise and I am amazed that I already am feeling results. My hands vibrate/tingle constantly and they feel stronger. And for some reason I feel more relaxed too. Is there anymore training that you can teach me? Thank you for your time.
Your Humble Student,
Ji-bin Zhong
Ji...just continue with what I gave you. Keep me posted with your results. Give it a month or so and I'll add to your training. To speed up your progress, massage your hands under hot running water for 5 minutes before and after training.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Dear Master Killer,
Thank you for the extra training information. I will continue to follow your instructions.
Your Humble Student,
Zhong bin Ji
you are all full of shit, go out and get lives, to start with, the five point exploding heart strike is a physical impossibility, blunt trauma from the fingertips is not enough to contstrict, damage or rupture blood vessels protected by layers of skin, bone (sternum) and muscle. secondly, even if you did inflict trauma on the vessels, they are elastics and under alot of pressure, they would regain normal blood pressure and return their natural dimensions, or blood flow would be redirected and that branch of the vascular periphera would die off (and in 99.99% of cases would not damage the cardiac tissue). secondly, Master Killer and Ji bin-Zhong need to take out an Anatomy and Physiology book from their local libraries and realise that that tingling sensation in their hands is qi energy or life force or whatever, they are residual electrical currents and phantom sensations being registered by the nerve fibres in the skin, and proprioceptors in the bones and tendons etc. get a life you dim witted pimple covered bruce lee coveting dorks, none of the shit you guys crap on about is true so wake up to yourselves.
Posted by: ok serious guys im normal at July 6, 2005 05:28 AMJust got a Iron Tao bag filled with mung beans, how many times should I strike it each day and with what strike? Thank you...
Posted by: Guard at July 9, 2005 07:03 AMThe reality is this: documented martial arts has been around for 1,500 years (6 times longer than the United States) beginning with Tamo Bodhidharma's 18 Lohan Fist and Ch'an Buddhism. Now try bridging the gap between Eastern and Western philosophy. It's extremely difficult. All that matters is that this training works, and has been for 1,500 years. Don't try to explain how it works, it just does. You can call it electromagnetic energy or adrenaline, but form your own theory after you've tried it. The only teacher is experience.
I gave all of you an external qi kung called "iron fist." Try it! This is all I can suggest.
As I've mentioned before, my theory on qi is based around the adrenaline theory. Please read my previous posts about adrenalines connection with qi.
Guard, I would rather you not use a mung bean tao bag but jump right to a steel shot tao bag. Mung bean is a waste of money, but since you have it here's what you can do:
1. Grab a chair or stool, place the bag on it, and adjust yourself to where the bag is at the center of your body and about dan tien level (3 inches below your belly button).
2. Raise your hand over your head keeping your arm and shoulder relaxed with just a slight bend in your elbow and allow gravity to bring your palm and fingers to the bag.
3. Change hands, keep a steady natural pace, breathe normal.
4. Do anywhere between 50 and 200 on each hand every day. You can also use different parts of you hand to strike the bag (be creative!).
5. To speed up your progress, massage your hands under hot running water for 5 minutes before and after training.
6. STAY RELAXED AND ALLOW GRAVITY TO DO THE WORK! Keep it simple and keep me posted on your results. Feel free to ask me questions. Depending on your results and following my directions, I will add to your training.
Best Wishes
Master Killer
*Let the doubters doubt!
Posted by: Master Killer at July 11, 2005 06:56 AMThank you. I was massaging my hands but only after I had hit the bag, So I will change that. Is the Mung Bean Tao bag too soft? When I did hit it 50 times with the palm slap and 50 with the backhand slap my hand was pretty sore. I was thinking it'd be an easier on my hands to start with mung beans?
Posted by: Guard at July 12, 2005 08:14 AMIt will be sore with the mung and the steel, but you'll have to condition to the mung and then buy a steel bag. It's easier and cheaper to just use steel, but mung still works so go with that. I make my students use steel. With this type of training the body adapts very quickly.
You may want to get yourself some dit da jow (hit and fall linament). You don't have to use it, but it speeds up the results and shortens healing time. If you do buy some, consult with me on which brand you are looking at and I will tell you what is a good choice. I would rather you buy a book with different formulas, take them to a chinese medacine store, and make your own to find out what works best for you. The main ingredient that makes jow work is tiger bone and that is very hard to come by.
Add this to your training: arm circles. Stand in a stable stance and swing your right arm in circles so you feel the blood rushing to your hand (20 times) and then left hand. Doing this every day will expand the blood vessels in the hand to allow more oxygen to flow.
Best wishes,
Master Killer
Thanks again, Today will be the 5th day I use the Tao Bag. So I decided to up the times I strike it from 50 to 55. I should do the exercises to get blood to my hands before or after I massage them in warm/hot water? Also is there anytime when I should rest from striking the bag? Perhaps if bruises, cuts or alot of callouses form? So far none of that has happened however. and I can feel a slight positive deference in the control of my hands and strikes, even though It could be a skill gain instead of a physical gain.Regardless, How long intill I can go around slapping people? no just kidding... but seriously is there an average period of time intill I see good noticable results?
Posted by: Guard at July 13, 2005 04:41 AMIdealy, you should do arm circles as often as possible. You do not need to take any days off from training, unless of course you have some kind of huge cut, infection, etc. 3 months is the shortest period of time that I've heard of being able to slap through concrete slabs. It took me 1 year. I'm sure even 10 years for some people. Dedication is the key. There will come a time where you don't see any results. Do not let this dicourage you.
To add faster results, train between 5 and 6 o'clock in the morning. There is a whole philosophy behind this dealing with qi and the body's healing cycle.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Hey masterkiller , i just would like to know something about bei mei ,who invented the white eyebrow style : i ve heard that he invented iron palm skill , is it true ?
If it s not , so who invented you re way of learning iron palm technique ?
Iron Palm is older than Pai Mei. Pai Mei happend to be one of the few during his time that combined the buddhist fist with taoist kung fu. This combination resulted in the discovery of external qi kung.
Chee Sin Sum See (Master Killer) lived before Pai Mei (although some believe that they were arch rivals and Pai Mei helped the Ching destroy Shaolin). He developed Gung Ji Fuk Fu (Taming the Tiger), a style that combined buddhist fist, taoist fist, the 5 sil lum animals, and iron palm.
For more information on the history of Chee Sin Sum See and Iron Palm, look up Hung Gar.
My lineage is as follows:
Chee Sin Sum See
Hung Hei Gung
Luk Ah Choi
Wong Tai
Wong Kei Ying
Wong Fei Hung
Lam Tsai Wing
Lam Cho
Buck Sam Kong
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
i loved kb1 and 2 i really liked the five finger exploding heart technique im not sure it really exists though
Posted by: jordan at July 18, 2005 04:34 PMthanks masterkiller !!! And i also would like to know about what you can do : What can you break ? blocks ? how many and what kind ? ( just to have an opinion about the power of iron palm )
oh , and then , does the iron palm technique also work if you try to break something with protected hands ( gloves for exemple ) ?
Your welcome miyamoto. Last time I tested my technique I easily slapped through 2 concrete slabs, but I don't train to break bricks, just for my own personal "glory." You'll know when you are able to break bricks and bones.
Protective gear won't change anything. You can break bricks with a towel over top of them.
If I may asked, what turned you on to external qi kung, namely iron palm?"
Remember, iron palm is only 1 of over 30 known external qi kung exercises that you can do to seriously injury your opponent.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Miyamoto, please read over my other posted comments. I'm sure you will find some things of interest. I also give my theory regarding qi and an external qi kung exercise I call "iron fist."
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
"you are all full of shit, go out and get lives, to start with, the five point exploding heart strike is a physical impossibility, blunt trauma from the fingertips is not enough to contstrict, damage or rupture blood vessels protected by layers of skin, bone (sternum) and muscle. secondly, even if you did inflict trauma on the vessels, they are elastics and under alot of pressure, they would regain normal blood pressure and return their natural dimensions, or blood flow would be redirected and that branch of the vascular periphera would die off (and in 99.99% of cases would not damage the cardiac tissue). secondly, Master Killer and Ji bin-Zhong need to take out an Anatomy and Physiology book from their local libraries and realise that that tingling sensation in their hands is qi energy or life force or whatever, they are residual electrical currents and phantom sensations being registered by the nerve fibres in the skin, and proprioceptors in the bones and tendons etc. get a life you dim witted pimple covered bruce lee coveting dorks, none of the shit you guys crap on about is true so wake up to yourselves."
hahaha how fucking true....i honestly cant believe these freaks goin on bout this shit...i would honestly like any of them to compete with SOMETHING REAL say ...an ak47 with armor piercing rounds
Thats ignorant, who ever said martial arts could dodge bullets?
Posted by: fadf at July 26, 2005 09:54 AMIt's obvious that the skeptics are afraid to read over my previous comments, so I will copy the ones that I feel are most important.
"the five point exploding heart technique is possible in theory, but the technique does not acctually exist. In Taoist philosophy, every pressure point on the body directly correlates with one of the 12 meridian, which are your organs. Over stimulation by a dim mak/qi kung master will cause the adrenal gland to overproduce the ether causing a poisoning effect on organ. In this case, bai mei uses the points located on the heart meridian. It is possible cause a heart attack, probably sounds better as heart explosion. 2 steps, 4 steps, 500 steps. This all has to do with how well the master can control the qi (adrenaline)."
"To strike the blood vessels would take extreme amount of power only developed through resistance training of which the Chinese were not known for. What you are suggesting is that a man from China developed a technique that attacks the vessels not once but five times in a fight which will last no more than 3 seconds. This is not practical especially for a Taoist like Bei Mei. Two reasons: one is that a taoist never resists, only goes with the flow. Therefore, a taoist knows no resistance training: two is that a taoist relys on simplicity and practicality. 5 attacks plus one for the heart is not practical in such a fight, life or death. I'm not saying that the technique won't work. What I'm saying is that your approach is not practical. Rather, produce extreme amounts of ether from the adrenal gland to enhance the technique. Here's a secret that I don't mind sharing with you. All advanced techniques in Chinese martial arts relys on adrenaline. Meditation, qi kung, dim mak... Using mind control to allow more adrenaline to flow through the body. Studies show that on average people use only a quarter teaspoon of adrenaline in a lifetime. This ether is very strong. Think back to the stories you probably heard: a man is working under a car and the car falls on him. In a panic, the wife is able to lift the 2 ton car off of her husband. This is called uncontrolled internal qi kung (nei dan). Accupressure and puncture stimulate pressure points releasing the ether along with endorphines to protect the area and boost the immune system. This is external qi kung, also the basis to develop a technique similar to your 5 point exploding heart technique. Attack the points, overstimulate the gland, poison the organ."
"Remember: dont get caught up in details and whats right and whats wrong and who said what. The only secret in kung fu is just practice with patience. Practice hard and practice well. Only then you can succeed in kung fu. The answers will reveal themselves through training. These masters who invented the techniques were taoists and buddhist. Their philosophy is that we come from the Ultimate Truth. Therefore, the Ultimate Truth is in us, a part of who we are. We just have to search within us to find the answers. Simplicity is the key. Hit the Iron Palm Bag as I described earlier and youre as good as whot choi (gold). Of course, "I cannot force you to do this. Only set an example and hope you become enlightened" as Tamo Bodhidharma and Gautma Sidhartha said."
"Though your Cellur Heptoses Theory may be true, it is not practical. To attack 6 points with pin-point accuracy with enough power against a nonrational aggressor in a matter of a few seconds in a life or death combat situation (because of course that would be the only reason someone would use the technique, to kill someone to save oneself) is not realistic enough for the philosophers, scholars, and physicians of "Taoist and Buddhist Schools of Thought" to further develop into a technique reliable enough for a "life or death" situation.
Remember, the emergence of martial arts was born through war. Kill or be killed. To be merciful to your enemy is to be cruel to yourself. When in war, the fastest kill is the most efficient. You don’t have time for a 3 minute boxing round.
Realistically, the fastest kill is the best. But using your Cellur Heptoses Theory is not realistic in combat. Therefore, we must continue to use Taoist philosophies of qi and accupoints."
"The reality is this: documented martial arts has been around for 1,500 years (6 times longer than the United States) beginning with Tamo Bodhidharma's 18 Lohan Fist and Ch'an Buddhism. Now try bridging the gap between Eastern and Western philosophy. It's extremely difficult. All that matters is that this training works, and has been for 1,500 years. Don't try to explain how it works, it just does. You can call it electromagnetic energy or adrenaline, but form your own theory after you've tried it. The only teacher is experience."
This should be enough before another skeptic has something to say.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I wouldn't waste anymore time trying to convince people, everyone is set in their ways. As the man said no such technique exists... period. Day 22 of my Iron Palm Training with the Iron Tao mung bean bag I've followed all instructions, and have enjoyed nice progress so far however, I've been noticing a slight increase in the calluses on my hands. I'm not sure if they are from the Iron Tao training or from something like weightlifting (I don't use weightlifters gloves or anything when I do workout)Are calluses over the skin normal with this type of training?
Posted by: Guard at July 30, 2005 11:32 PMQi is an amazing substance. Don't worry, calluses do not inhibit the flow of qi. Calluses will happen no matter what you do, its just the bodys natural process (and I stress natural since all Taoism including iron palm and qi kung is based on nature's process). Eventually, your hands will be soft and gentle. As the body adapts, qi heals all. Striking the accupoints over and over will cause bruises and blisters and calluses. But as qi is continued to flow through the area, it completely heals. And since more qi is flowing through your hand, your channels will become stronger and able to "conduct" more qi. An iron palm master's hands look no different than a "normal" person's hands.
And as you continue to train, your hands become more sensitive to qi and you will be able to feel other peoples qi when you touch them. This is where the healing power of qi comes into play. Controling anothers qi to heal them is the highest level of training. Being able to kill comes way before being able to heal.
I suggest you upgrade to steel shot and practice in horse stance (ma bo).
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
The most stimulating conversations are with those who doubt the Martial Way. And even more so, when the skeptics begin to believe.
Posted by: Master Killer at July 31, 2005 01:21 PMThanks for the help and replies. Where do I get the steel shot bag online (any websites?) and should I get the smooth stone bag?
Posted by: Guard at August 2, 2005 01:05 AMDo not get the stone bag, go right to steel. There are many websites you can go to, just type "iron palm bags" in a search engine. Off the top of my head I can think of a site, its www.wle.com which is Wing Lam's website.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I found a great website on qi kung.
http://www.healingtaousa.com/chi_kung_therapy_west.html
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Excellent site, I am planning to upgrade to steel shot (as soon as I get the funds because it is somewhat expensive to order). Thank you for all the help. I practiced training in horse stance and it is pretty rough on my quads however not too discomforting to take my focus away from proper technique. Thanks for all the help (my training would be a mess without it) and I will keep you posted.
Posted by: Guard at August 4, 2005 02:14 AMI am glad that you find success in your training. You dont have to do all of your training in horse stance yet. Dont allow the "1000lb horse stance" qi kung to take away from your primary qi kung exercise.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
I would advise that you discontinue releasing so much information to the general public. The type of martial arts that you seem to give so freely is only intended for those who posses the highest of human qualities. Common people cannot be trusted with such power.
-Tong Fong-
Posted by: Tong Fong at August 14, 2005 11:16 AMTong Fong, understand that only small percentage will actually practice. And even less will train with patience and reap the benefits. The hand-full that become masters are almost certain to be those who possess these "high qualities." This knowledge was a gift that I charish and I want nothing more than to help others experience what I have.
I also believe that this type of training brings out the best in a person: hard times creates perseverence, perseverence creates wisdom.
Let me ask you a question... Why have you chosen the name Tong Fong, the name of a great Hung Gar Master?
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Yes, Tong Fong is the name of a famous Hung Gar warrior. I am a master from a sect of the Tong Fong clan. I believe what you are doing is wrong. You do not know how these people will treat iron kung skills. I know of many stories about the misuse of iron palm. BEWARE!
-Tong Fong-
Posted by: Tong Fong at August 18, 2005 08:37 PMOnce, there was a man who was a great mountain climber, and he climbed a very tall mountain that had never been climbed before, just to see how tall it was. But no one else had seen such a mountain, so they didn’t understand his accomplishment. He went on climbing the tallest mountains he could find, to convince people of his skill and make them see what he had done, but only ended up living in the mountains, becoming a terrible creature, a monster.
Posted by: Street Killer at August 19, 2005 04:48 PMStreet Killer,
I enjoyed your story. Who is it by?
Tong Fong,
I respect your ideals. But I see things different. My goal is to spread martial arts. Hard work and training builds character. Of course, there is a dark side to great power.
The Tao is the Ultimate Truth; the Yin will balance the Yang. I have a story which was written by Chuang Tzu:
A man lived during the Warring States Period in China. He owned land with some animals and a family. One day his horse ran away. Everybody that heard of this told him how much of a shame it was. The man said, it may be bad but it can be good. The horse returned but not alone, it brought back a mate. It turned out that the horse was in heat. Soon after, they had a baby horse (one horse turned into three). Everybody that heard of this told the man of how lucky he was. The man said, it may be good but it can be bad. One day the man's son was riding the new wild horse and he fell off and broke his leg. In those times when you broke your leg you became crippled. Everybody that heard of this told the man how much of a shame it was. The man said, it may be bad but it can be good. During the Warring States Period local armies would scout the area looking for any young boys to draft. Unfortunately, it was rare to survive in battle. The local army did not take the boy because he was a cripple.
The universe will ultimately balance itself out!
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
On the contrary I am very pleased by the service Master Killer has provided. I'd say even without his help I would have taken up Iron Palm. However I would have done so misguided and ignorant of the correct way which could potentially and very easily have lead to problems. As Master Killer stated I doubt anyone would take up this type of training for the sole purpose of misusing it. It is long and hard and I even find myself sometimes struggling to follow through fully with my training, it has taught me to keep pushing on. I do not study this art because of any bad motivation. Only because it has helped on me on my main goal to bettering myself in many different ways, and has taught me to be a more patient person.. A quality I somewhat lacked before I started, and a quality I have been forced to learn since. Because patience is absolutely necessary for this type of training. I hope I have helped to shine light on the good reasons why people can study and also that Master Killer is not wrong in what he has done and that he has indeed helped.
Posted by: Guard at August 21, 2005 03:50 AMMaster Killer,
I have been training Iron Palm, Knife Hand, Palm Heel, Iron Fist, and Backhand for the past 2 weeks. Only now do I find this site with your posts. I am curious what happens if you do not breathe right? See, the thing is, I've been doing 1000 repetitions for each hand for each technique, but since that many repetitions takes so long, I tend to do it faster, which means not breathing right. Did I ruin my Qi Kung training? If I start breathing right now, will it hinder my progress?
Also, I was wondering if you could email me some training tips. I am very determined and eager to learn Qi Kung. I would like to learn it for the rest of my body but do not know how to condition other parts of my body as to not hurt them. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
Tim
Posted by: Tim at August 26, 2005 01:51 AMDear Tim,
Be as natural as possible. Do not concentrate on your breathing, it will come to you. Just breathe normal. Instead of 1000 reps, only do 50 reps. Especially since you've only been training for 2 weeks. The more you do does not mean your qi will grow stronger. Qi develops over time. Do not over train or you will damage the ligaments and tendons in your hand. Your body must adapt, and that takes time. With fewer reps you can concentrate on your breathing, but make sure its natural.
Since you want to train your whole body, take the iron palm training and apply to a different part of your body, for instance your shins.
Remember, qi kung primarily follows Taoist philosophy, which revolves around the natural process and not "force."
As far as training tips, read over my previous posts and I am sure you will find all you need. If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
What a bunch of horse shit. "Master Killer" uses a few sock-puppets to bolster himself up by trying to make it appear that he is "being warned" by others not to give away "the secrets"... "Master Killer" sounds like he is trying to "live his dream", that of being a Kung Fu Master, that same dream he has had since 3 years ago when he first got caught masturbating to his big sister's friends' photo, that time right after his 11th birthday.
Posted by: Doubtful Dan at August 30, 2005 03:19 AM1000 repetitions for each hand must take ALOT of time, I timed my Iron Palm training with my cell phone and with 60 front slaps, backhand slaps, and knife edge slaps plus the massaging took 16 minutes. Add 940 slaps and I can't imagine how long I'd be training. My advice would also be to go down to a more reasonable range posted by Master Killer of 50 - 200 hits.
Posted by: Guard at August 31, 2005 02:30 AMDoubtful Dan,
What you are saying could be true. No one can really know whether or not I am the "master" that I appear to be. I may no nothing at all about kung fu. But here is my challenge to you: look over all of my previous posts and test me, try the training for yourself. I'm sure you will be pleased with the results.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
For all who still ask the question, "is the 5 point exploding heart technique real?" Let us break it down:
1. The foundation of "5 point exploding heart" is iron palm qi kung.
2. One must have extensive knowledge of the 700+ accupoints, the 12 meridians, the qi channels, the time of day and corresponding quarterly qi exchange per year.
3. If a person meets these two requirements, then his qi must be strong enough to affect an aggressor's internal organs. If this is the case and he knows the accupoint which lies on the heart meridian and what time of day in which yearly quarter that the aggressor's qi is weakest in the heart, he then can kill his opponent. This knowledge and experience would take a lifetime to acquire.
4. Add another lifetime worth of training and he may be able to control his qi so well that after 5 (+1) strikes the aggressor takes 5 steps before the qi kills the heart. Not only have that but to be fast enough with enough accuracy to strike 5 (+ 1) dime sized accupoints on the heart channels in less than a second without getting hit.
5. Now for something to think about: why the heart in 5 steps? Why not the 3 point exploding kidney technique? Or how about the 1-100 point exploding pancreas technique where the person is hit 1 time, takes 100 steps and dies from an exploding pancreas?
It is possible in theory, but acquired skill is not likely to be attainable.
To research the power that can be acquired, look up a man by the name of Gu Ru Zhang.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
The shaolin monks are tuff dudes. There might not be a five point palm exploding heart technique, but they can do some seriously cool organ damaging techniques
Posted by: Fading Fall at September 2, 2005 03:06 PMPART II of IRON FIST:
Hit your brick with a chop and a ridgehand allowing gravity to do your work. I suggest you do this in horse stance to train your "1000lb horse stance."
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Thanks Master Killer.
Oh and Guard. It doesnt take me a long time for a lot of reps. I usually do Iron Palm for 10 minutes, Knifehand for 10 minutes, and palm heel for 10 minutes, with massaging in between. Thats not really a long time for me.
Also, master killer, is there a proper way to train my shins so I dont break them?
Posted by: Tim at September 12, 2005 09:15 AMAll external qi kung have the same basic principle, whether its iron arm, iron shin, iron palm, iron fist, etc. "Bang" the area to build up and strengthen qi conduction. For your shins, buy yourself a cheap soft piece of wood, maybe a 1" by 1" by 2' and "bang" your shins as you wood your palm with iron palm. Massage and use dit da jow if available. Over time, increase your reps and get stronger material to "bang" the area. After you start using a metal pole for a few months, start "banging" your shins on a tree. This will build up your tendon and ligament power as well. Think of tendons as bands of "super-muscles." This type of training is called iron broom, a by-product of "no shadow kick." "No shadow kick" was a qi kung technique made famous (but not invented) by Hung Gar Grandmaster Wong Fei Hung. Good luck with your training. Iron shin and no shadow kick are two of my favorite qi kung.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Thank you Master Killer you have been most helpful.
Recently, I have stumbled upon the Snake Fist, but when I spar with my partner, everytime I use the snake fist anywhere on him, it hurts my fingers. What can I do to strengthen my fingers?
Posted by: Tim at September 13, 2005 08:30 PMThe Snake Fist is commonly considered the most advanced boxing style of martial arts. When training, practice drills and slow sparring rather than a fast pace sparring. This will protect you from hurting your undeveloped "snake hand" and your partner when your fingers get stronger. There is much that I can talk about regarding Sare Pai, but I will give you a qi kung exercise that is known as iron snake or iron finger.
Treat this as if it was your iron palm training:
1. Get yourself a bucket about 3' high by 2' diameter and fill it with Caribbean play sand. Caribbean play sand is sterile. If you choose any other kind of sand it MUST be sterile. You will get cuts on your hands and you will breathe in the dust so the sand must be clean.
2. Tuck in your thumb, spread your fingers, and lightly drop them into the sand. Try to let gravity do your work. Pick your reps and gradually increase.
3. Over time change to small pebbles, then to larger and larger pebbles and stones and end with steel shot.
Good luck with your training.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Thank you for the tip about snake fist.
Also, where do I get Caribbean play sand?
Feel free to email me (Virtron@optonline.net). Its easier to check my mail then check this site.
Thanks,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at September 15, 2005 03:31 PMYou can purchase Caribbean play sand at any Lowes or Home Depot.
Unfortunately, my email address has to be worked on. The company that installed my cable modem had problems with the system.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Hey Master Killer,
What if I apply the same sand in a bucket concept to the back of my hand and to my fist? Do I progress in the same way? sand, pebbles, stones, steel shots?
Also, I'm not sure how to hit the piece of wood for my shins so that it hits my whole shin. The way I tried to hit it, it only hit a tiny piece of my shin. As if someone was slicing my leg at my shin.
Posted by: Tim at September 19, 2005 09:06 PMYou can hit the sand any way you like. It has been done like that before but I prefer the iron palm bag and a brick (iron fist).
Strike your shin with a 2 inch wide piece of wood, not the sharp edge. You could even use the leg off of a chair or light wooden bat. It will take you about 10 strikes to work your way from your ankle to your knee. It hurts! Start off with light strikes (you pick your reps). Iron shin gives you fast results. You will build up your tolerance very soon and you'll want to hit your shins on everything. Between you and me, one of the best feelings is knowing that your shins are stronger than your opponent's and using that to your advantage, especially if they prefer to fight with their legs. Use your shins to hurt their shins and force them to fight with an alternative style.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Oh man, that is painful!! Good kind of pain though, makes you feel stronger. Oh and about using the brick for iron fist. I did that a while back and the middle knuckle on my left hand looks really big and weird. plus, when I apply any pressure to it, like when I do fist pushups, it hurts too much. I hope I didnt damage it, but I try to stay off of it now.
It definitely is a good feeling to know that my hands are stronger than my opponents. I can't wait to get my shins stronger as well.
Thanks,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at September 20, 2005 05:07 PMhey master killer
i've read this whole blog about the qi and iron fist and iron palm and iron broom it's very interesting. i would like to get into one of these three. which would be more beneficial.. and how is there any kind of qi kung for asthma. also my reason for learning this is because i'm a little guy and about 2 days ago i was attacked by this really big guy with a weapon, now i didn't back down from him i guess i could put it this way my fear was on the inside on the outside i was waiting for him to actually stab me or hit me but neither happened. the attack really hurt my mind and now i want to train so their won't ever be another surprise. whatever information you can give me i'd appreciate it. mike
also i noticed that alot of the guys are using iron palm bags to condition their hands and legs but would it work the same if i had a piece of steel and conditioned my body the way you explained in your other messages about training. like hitting the flat piece of steel with my palm and hitting my shin with it aswell, would it work just as well. thank you.
Posted by: mike at September 21, 2005 08:50 PMTim, what you are experiencing is only the very beginning. The external results will eventually subside but as they do, there is a transfer to internal results. They are small at first but continue to grow for the rest of your life. This is where the real learning begins. This experience will teach you so much more than anybody can teach you. The only true teacher is time.
Your knuckle will be fine, just rest it. I broke my right middle knuckle once. It took time to heal but with iron palm and iron fist training, the healing is 100% Best Wishes.
Michael, its up to you which one to start with: with iron shin you could have kicked right through your opponents kneecaps and shins and most likely crippled him. With iron palm, in advanced stages, you can kill with one strike as with iron fist. There are many other qi kung to choose from too. Any kind of qi kung promotes overall health. Iron palm is the best external overall health qi kung since the hand contains all of the 12 meridian accupoints. Internal qi kung is topic for another day. A combination may be whats best for you: Iron shin and iron fist.
Let me know what you decide.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Thank you Master Killer for all this help.
I am beginning to see results with my iron palm. My hand is becoming rougher and almost leathery. In addition, with my breathing exercises I am feeling a pleasant warmth near my bladder. I cannot wait until I can use my Iron Palm to break a brick.
Your humble student,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at September 21, 2005 10:10 PMhi master killer
i agree. if my legs and hands were strong enough i could at least stop him at his tracks while walking away with my head up thank you. so how do i begin my iron shin and iron palm training. again thank you master killer.
Posted by: mike at September 22, 2005 12:16 PMhey mike, just read the things he suggested to me. It totally works.
Posted by: Tim at September 22, 2005 02:15 PMhey tim
what was that i tried to get to the old articles and i couldn't go that far.
Posted by: mike at September 22, 2005 06:08 PMthis is what i have in mind to do. 50 repetitions of every part of my hand and then do the same for my shin and then increase the repetitions by 5 every week or two until i can move onto some thing stronger. also i was trying to figure out what is 1000lbs training. hey tim how will i know if i'm progressiving and/or making any improvements is there a physical test that i can do.
Posted by: mike at September 22, 2005 06:19 PMFor Iron Palm, I have a cinder block with a towel on it. I give it about 200 hits with each hand. The key is to let gravity do all the work. A relaxed arm lets the Chi flow into your hands better. You can do the same with Knifehand, Backhand, and palm heel. Of course, you might want to start with less reps.
I'm thinking 1000lbs trainging refers to 1000lb Horse Stance. I believe you stand in horse stance for a long time. 1000lb horse stance is important because most of the footwork in Kung Fu stems from that stance.
Now, the magic question, how do I know if I'm progressing? You'll just see your nice smooth hand, turn into leather. =) Thats one way.
Another way, is what I'm still waiting for. After 4 months you should be able to use the Iron Palm to break a patio block. DON'T RUSH IT! Don't decide after a few weeks that you might be ready and try it. You can hurt your hand and slow down your progress.
Posted by: Tim at September 22, 2005 07:53 PMMike:
1. Buy yourself a steel iron palm bag. A cinder block is not nearly as efficient, since it does not contort to the shape of the hand and therefore does not stimulate every accupoint equally. A balance is required to attain maximum results. Before the next step, set up your station: Place your iron palm bag on top of the seat of a chair (when the bag is on the chair, have it about 6 inches below your bellybutton).
2. The preparation stage is a warm-up, just like with any kind of workout. Massage your hands under warm/hot running water for 5 minutes to prepare your bones, ligaments, cartilage, joints, blood, qi channels, and accupoints for the immense stress that will be endured day after day. Arm circles: swing your right arm in fast, full circles 20 times to rush the blood and oxygen to your hand. Repeat with your left hand.
3. The "1000lb stance" is a qi kung that can be practiced while training other qi kung. Hold a low horse stance while you train your iron palm. This is more of an advanced training technique that I'd rather you not worry about at this stage. To start you training, stand facing the bag directly down your center line with your feet a shoulder-and-a-half apart. Place your right palm flat on the center of the bag with your wrist, arm and shoulder relaxed (your arm shouldnt be bent but shouldnt be fully extended). Bend your knees so that the bag is even with your dan tien (center of gravity, "sea of qi," 3 inches below your bellybutton). Your left fist is slightly clenched, touching your hip, elbow behind you. THIS IS YOUR IRON PALM TRAINING STANCE.
4. Raise your right hand palm down with a smooth, relaxed motion no higher than your head and allow gravity to bring your palm to the bag. Again, raise your right hand palm down and as your hand reaches its highest point, turn it over and allow gravity to bring the back of your hand to the bag. Never contort your hand and always make sure that ever millimeter of your hand touches the bag at the same time.
5. Bring your right hand to your hip and repeat with your left hand.
6. A TOTAL of 50 times will suffice. You need not worry about anything else. Your breathing and technique will come to you over time.
7. After training, massage your hands under warm/hot water for 5 minutes and then do arm circles.
Always start with a wood board when breaking. Do not jump to a brick. 5 boards equal 1 brick. Even then your mind may keep you from breaking the brick.
In reality, you never have to increase your reps. You just hit harder.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
thank you very much master killer and tim for your knowledge and support also i'm going to follow your advice to the T. do i also follow the same guide line for the iron fist? if so a simple yes will suffice and i will be back in the blog in about 4 or 5 months hope that u guys are still around so i can update u on my progression of the iron fist palm and shin. thank you very much.
Posted by: mike at September 23, 2005 02:45 PMFollow the same guide lines except you punch a brick with your 2 end knuckles (pointer and middle) and your 3 end knuckles (middle, ring, and pinky). I posted on this topic too. Practice hard and practice well, only then you will succeed in kung fu.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
about hitting the brick with your fist... how much force should be used?
Posted by: Tim at September 24, 2005 03:24 PMwhatever you can stand. Hold the brick with your left hand and hit it with your right. After 50 times, switch.
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at September 25, 2005 06:26 PMMaster Killer,
I would like to start training the Iron Shirt (Golden Bell) technique. I am lost in the dark as to what I can do though. Please could you assist me once again.
your humble student,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at September 30, 2005 06:51 PMMaster Killer
The information you so kindly gave to the public is invaluable, thank you. I started iron palm 2 days ago, I have the mung bean bag and the river pebble bag, and am about to get a steel shot bag. My question is didnt the shoalin monks used mung bean first before steel shot? I can do palm and claw strikes easliy on my pebble bag but it hurts my fist and really hurts my back hand. So if steel shot is harder I wouldnt be able to train in those strikes? I have dit da jow from www.ironpalm.com. Also When I am able to break bricks, concrete etc.. how would I do this? from what I understand you cannot use muscular force, do I let gravity do the work?
Thank You
Tim,
Internal iron shirt is almost completely different than external. With external you strike your stomach, chest, shoulders, back, etc. with a wooden rod as you would your shins. Sitting in a dit da jow bath is a popular practice. All external training is the same.
Internal is extremely difficult and time consuming. I use Iron Thread Qi Kung for my internal iron body, but any concentrated qi kung will work.
Good Luck!
Fung,
When I started training iron palm, my master made me use the steel shot bag. Without question I used it and it is what I know works. Its your choice what you want to use. I believe mung and gravel are just a money maker. The steel hurts but I worked through it.
You will know when you can break 1 pinewood board. NO MORE. Over some time, increase to 2 boards. 5 boards equals 1 brick. Eventually, you and your qi will do the work. In the beginning, you let gravity do your work so you can learn how to be relaxed.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Thanks for the advice! Im going to use steel shot as soon as I get it. Also, do you include iron palm meditations after your training sessions? Right now im doing vibrating palm chi kung.
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 1, 2005 07:22 PMI do, and it's call internal iron palm. Unless you have plenty of time, motivation, and the right attitude, I would exclude any internal iron palm until a strong training foundation is established with your external iron palm. Your "vibrating palm" is probably similar to "shaking palm" which is an advanced exercise. I've always trained internal with external, so if you can find time for both please do. Otherwise, focus on one qi kung until you think it comes to you like second nature. Then add another. It typically takes a few months per exercise to adapt the mind and incorporate it into an everyday mental routine. I believe that one qi kung per year is sufficient for an average person. All people are different, so its up to you to decide.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Thank you, Im going to continue with this chi kung. I really enjoy the feeling of the immense chi flowing threw my arms. How many minutes or hours do you tipically do an internal iron palm meditation for? I try to hit at least 20 min a day.
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 1, 2005 11:27 PMThank you, Im going to continue with this chi kung. I really enjoy the feeling of the immense chi flowing threw my arms. How many minutes or hours do you tipically do an internal iron palm meditation for? I try to hit at least 20 min a day.
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 1, 2005 11:27 PMMaster Killer,
How do I do the Iron Thread Qi Kung? or for that matter are there any beginnger internal Qi Kung techniques I can do.
I've been doing "SUPPORTING THE SKY WITH BOTH HANDS" before I start Iron Palm. I am very interested in this Iron Thread Qi Kung. How is it done?
your humble student,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at October 2, 2005 06:32 PMWell Tim, this is one thing I cannot teach you using the computer. Iron Thread is a derivative of the Shaolin Iron Rock qi kung, and typically considered the most advanced qi kung exercise. It was added to the Hung Gar system by Quan Tiet San, one of the 10 Tigers of Canton (possibly the "big brother."). It is now one of Hung Gar's Four Pillars and taught last and masked as a fighting form, but in reality is a qi kung exercise.
You may be able to buy a video of the exercise, but it is very hard to understand without a master to explain. All Hung Gar schools teach Iron Thread, but it may take you 3 years or even 10 years befor your master teaches you (and he may not even fully understand the exercise).
You're going to have a lot of researching and studying if you try it on your own. IT CAN BE DONE! Read books, articles, watch movies.
Type these key words in a search engine: Iron Wire, Iron Thread, Quan Tiet San, Tiet San Kuen
3 Circle Qi Kung is a beginner internal exercise. I know of many people who train this. You can research this and discover the exact training methods. Its very easy. I think Erle Montigue demonstrates this at www.taijiworld.com. Good Luck.
Fung, 20 minutes is fine. Actually, you never have to increase you training time. As your qi becomes stronger, your training becomes more efficient.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
Thank you for your guidence. I was researching on the net and found that there is a Cinnabar Palm technique (highest level of internal iron palm?). Ive read that Gu Ruzhang, trained in this and its a shaolin art. I came across a book on the internet thats has this art http://www.wle.com/products/b013.html. But I am afraid that the translation is bad and will do more harm to myself then good. Can you shed some light on the subject of this art please?
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 3, 2005 08:21 PMI've bought many books on different subjects of martial arts. Some have been great, some have been a waste of money. Some books I was unable to understand because of the level of training I was at, and some books I can read over and over and find something new each time.
My Northern Shaolin lineage is directly from Gu Ru Zhang. From what I remember learning about him from one of my masters was that the level of iron palm that Gu Ru Zhang reached is attainable, if you are willing to train 12 hours a day. The iron palm that you are training is that of Gu Ru Zhang, Northern Shaolin Iron Palm. Northern Shaolin is the oldest documented fighting system, dated over 1,500 years with the 18 Lohan Fist (which was actually Indian in origin but there is no proof). With 1,500 years of fighting evolution, I most certainly believe in a "cinnabar palm." To say, killing someone without even touching them. Sadly, I also believe that in this modern age it is not possible. The earth's electromagnetic field has decreased over 400%. Pollution, pesticides and hormones in food, chlorine and fluoride in water, the list goes on...plain and simple, nothing comes from the earth anymore...everything has some kind of man-made additive, on purpose or by accident. The human body can never be as pure and balanced as it was 200, 800, 1,500 years ago. Highest qi potential can never be attained. But we can still achieve greatness. I've come across plenty of modern warriors that can do amazing things with their qi.
Do not let this deter you from training red sand cinnabar qi kung. Prove me wrong.
The first step with internal qi kung is the hardest. All qi kung stems from ch'an (zen) meditation. Internal qi kung is a concentrated meditation. It is hard to find someone who teaches ch'an meditation and proper internal qi kung. It opens a door to a whole new world. Without it, you have nothing. Do you know how to properly meditate? (hint: it has NOTHING to do with poster when sitting in lotus or chakkras or AUM...).
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Keep a dated log of all your training and any thoughts. This is very important.
Chin!
Master Killer
Master Killer,
Thank you for your comments. From what I know basing on Grand Master Jung Shee Lacey's iron palm chi kung videos is that do 1-3 breaths to start, then do the percentage breaths accordingly depending on what chi kung your doing, then breath normal for a few minutes, then begin your movements or hold the positon. From this point im suppose to use my mind to move my chi to my palms. Am I somewhat right?
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 4, 2005 03:49 PMAlso, do you know where I can purchase a book or video on red sand cinnabar qi kung?
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 4, 2005 03:53 PMMaster Killer,
Nevermind about cinnabar palm, My vibrating palm has similar effects to it as Jung Shee lacey told me. He also told me an internal iron qi gong will help me alot. Which do you think is better, and what are the differences, also how long have you studied iron thread, and last how long will it take to master it, 5 years?
http://www.wle.com//products/VY010.html
http://www.wle.com//products/vhg23.html
sorry for asking so much questions, my mind is thirsty for martial knowledge
Thank you,
To answer your first question:
From what it sounds like, Lacy is trying to "build Rome in a day." I may be wrong because I do not own any of his videos. I have seen his demonstrations though. You absolutely cannot start at the point you are referring to. You must first learn to meditate properly. Actually, you never need to learn any kind of seperate internal qi kung for iron palm. Eventually, internal meditation will fuse with your external iron palm. We call this moving meditation which led to the discovery of all other internal qi kung and also internal martial arts like Tai Chi.
To answer your second question:
I do not know where you can find a complete guide to red sand palm. It's considered one of the "mystical palms" as is "5 poison palm." I've never heard of anyone actually attaining these levels.
Here is a guide to meditation. It is from the website http://www.mro.org/zmm/meditation/
I have modified it to the key points:
Ch'an (Zen) Buddhists are generally known as the "meditation Buddhists."
The great Master Dogen said, "To study the Buddha Way is to study the self, to study the self is to forget the self, and to forget the self is to be enlightened by the ten thousand things." To be enlightened by the ten thousand things is to recognize the unity of the self and the ten thousand things. For two thousand five hundred years meditation has continued, from generation to generation; it's the most important thing that has been passed on. It spread from India to China, to Japan, to other parts of Asia, and then finally to the West. It's a very simple practice. It's very easy to describe and very easy to follow. But like all other practices, it takes doing in order for it to happen.
We tend to see body, breath, and mind separately. The body has a way of communicating outwardly to the world and inwardly to oneself.
Begin by sitting in a chair with your feet flat on the floor. It's very important to keep the spine straight with the lower part of the back curved.
The importance of keeping the back straight is to allow the diaphragm to move freely. The breathing you will be doing becomes very, very deep. Your abdomen will rise and fall much the same way an infant's belly rises and falls. In general, as we mature, our breathing becomes restricted, and less and less complete. We tend to take shallow breaths in the upper part of the chest. Usually, we've got our belts on very tight or we wear tight clothing around the waist. As a result, deep, complete breathing rarely occurs. Allow the diaphragm to move freely so that the breathing can be deep, easy, and natural. You don't have to control it. You don't have to make it happen. It will happen by itself.
Once you've positioned yourself, there are a few other things you can check on. The mouth is kept closed. Unless you have some kind of a nasal blockage, breathe through your nose. The tongue is pressed lightly against the upper palate. This reduces the need to salivate and swallow. The eyes are kept lowered, with your gaze resting on the ground about two or three feet in front of you. Your eyes will be mostly covered by your eyelids, which eliminates the necessity to blink repeatedly. The chin is slightly tucked in. There should be no tension in the body. It doesn't take strength to keep the body straight. The nose is centered in line with the navel, the upper torso leaning neither forward nor back.
The hands are folded. The dominant hand is held palm up holding the other hand, also palm up, so that the knuckles of both hands overlap. If you're right-handed, your right hand is holding the left hand; if you're left-handed, your left hand is holding the right hand. The thumbs are lightly touching, thus the hands form an oval. In Ch'an, we focus on the breath. The breath is life. The word "spirit" means breath. The words "chi" in Chinese, meaning power or energy, both derive from breath. Breath is the vital force; it's the central activity of our bodies. Mind and breath are one reality: when your mind is agitated your breath is agitated; when you're nervous you breathe quickly and shallowly; when your mind is at rest the breath is deep, easy, and effortless.
It is important to center your attention in the dan tien. The dan tien is a place within the body, located two inches below the navel. It's the physical and spiritual center of the body. Put your attention there; put your mind there. As you develop, you'll become more aware of the dan tien as the center of your attentiveness.
Breathing
Begin rocking the body back and forth, slowly, in decreasing arcs, until you settle at your center of gravity. The mind is in the dan tien, hands are folded, mouth is closed, tongue pressed on the upper palate. You're breathing through the nose and you're tasting the breath. Keep your attention on the dan tien and the breath. Imagine the breath coming down into the dan tien and returning from there. Make it part of the whole cycle of breathing. Feel your breathing through your whole body. Your body expands and contracts as one. Think of your whole body as one big lung.
We begin working on ourselves by counting the breath, counting each inhalation and each exhalation, beginning with one and counting up to ten. When you get to ten, come back to one and start all over. The only agreement that you make with yourself in this process is that if your mind begins to wander - if you become aware that what you're doing is chasing thoughts - you will look at the thought, acknowledge it, and then deliberately and consciously let it go and begin the count again at one.
The counting is a feedback to help you know when your mind has drifted off. Each time you return to the breath you are empowering yourself with the ability to put your mind where you want it, when you want it there, for as long as you want it there. That simple fact is extremely important. It's the source of all the activity of our lives.
When you've been practicing this process for a while, your awareness will sharpen. You'll begin to notice things that were always there but escaped your attention. Because of the preoccupation with the internal dialogue, you were too full to be able to see what was happening around you. The process begins to open that up.
When you're able to stay with the counting and repeatedly get to ten without any effort and without thoughts interfering, it's time to begin counting every cycle of the breath. Inhalation and exhalation will count as one, the next inhalation and exhalation as two. This provides less feedback, but with time you will need less feedback.
Eventually, you'll want to just follow the breath and abandon the counting altogether. Just be with the breath. Just be the breath. Let the breath breathe itself. That's the beginning of the falling away of body and mind. It takes some time and you shouldn't rush it; you shouldn't move too fast from counting every breath to counting every other breath and on to following the breath. In the process of working with the breath, the thoughts that come up, for the most part, will be just noise, just random thoughts. Sometimes, however, when you're in a crisis or involved in something important in your life, you'll find that the thought, when you let it go, will recur. You let it go again but it comes back, you let it go and it still comes back. Sometimes that needs to happen. Don't treat that as a failure; treat it as another way of practicing. This is the time to let the thought happen, engage it, let it run its full course. But watch it, be aware of it. Allow it to do what it's got to do, let it exhaust itself. Then release it, let it go. Come back again to the breath. Start at one and continue the process.
Scattered mental activity and energy keeps us separated from each other, from our environment, and from ourselves. In the process of sitting, the surface activity of our minds begins to slow down. The mind is like the surface of a pond - when the wind is blowing, the surface is disturbed and there are ripples. Nothing can be seen clearly because of the ripples; the reflected image of the sun or the moon is broken up into many fragments.
Out of that stillness, our whole life arises. If we don't get in touch with it at some time in our life, we will never get the opportunity to come to a point of rest. In deep meditation a person breathes at a rate of only two or three breaths a minute. Normally, at rest, a person will breathe about fifteen breaths a minute - even when we're relaxing, we don't quite relax. The more completely your mind is at rest, the more deeply your body is at rest. Respiration, heart rate, circulation, and metabolism slow down in deep meditation. The whole body comes to a point of stillness that it doesn't reach even in deep sleep. This is a very important and very natural aspect of being human. It is not something particularly unusual. All creatures of the earth have learned this and practice this. It's a very important part of being alive and staying alive: the ability to be completely awake.
It is important to be patient and persistent, to not be constantly thinking of a goal, of how the sitting practice may help us. We just put ourselves into it and let go of our thoughts, opinions, positions - everything our minds hold onto. The human mind is basically free, not clinging. In meditation we learn to uncover that mind, to see who we really are.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
That is an incredible piece of information you have given me. I had no idea that there was so much to meditation. Thank you, I will do this meditation for now on untill I mastered it and then continue my vibrating palm.
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 5, 2005 06:19 PMMaster Killer,
Will useing a Chin Na grab bag, give me an iron claw to compliment my iron palm? I was thinking of buying an 8lbs-10lbs steel shot bag. Do I just toss it in the air and grab it, then repeat 50 times each hand?
Thank you kindly,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 5, 2005 06:48 PMThe meditation that I gave you is the most common. I learned to meditate this way and soon I adapted the techniques to fit my personal transitions.
The steel iron palm bag that I suggested you buy for your iron palm training is the perfect iron tiger claw training tool. Throw the bag in the air with your right hand and catch it with your left. Alternate. Don't just catch it though, snatch it with a hard strike. Also, don't let it fall below your waist. 50 on each side, 100 total in one sitting may be too much for you. Start with 25 on each hand, 50 in one sitting. Concentrate on the speed of the throw rather than how many reps you can do. Build on speed.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Today I finally discovered how rewarding hitting a tree with your shins, knees, elbows, and forearms is.
Not only do you feel stronger in those areas, but you feel like you can use those areas to strike your opponent faster.
It's awesome.
- Tim
Posted by: Tim at October 6, 2005 01:35 PMGood Tim, from only a few days (or weeks) of training. Now imagine what it will be like 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, or even training everyday until you're 70 years old. The possibilities are endless. Never be satisfied with your training.
I will monitor this website everyday. As far as new training and new qi kung, I will only make special exceptions. Eventually I will teach you more. But for now I will guide you through the training that I have given you. I have an email address but I am not willing to give it up just yet. Show me that you are practicing what I taught you by asking the right questions about your transitions and results and I will email you my address. I have given you all enough to last 10 lifetimes, but I have plenty more to teach. It's yours if you want it, but you have to prove to me how bad. Do not be afraid to ask questions.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
Thank you for your advice on Iron Claw. I ordered my iron palm steel shot bag from www.wle.com yesterday oct,5. As you know I have just started iron palm training, 7 days ago to be exact. And I have been using your method of training religeously everyday, instead of my mung bean I used river pebbles (untill I get steel shot bag) and after 6 days of using your guide line. The pebbles were getting crushed! I can litteraly see the dust bursting out of the bag and feel some of the pebbles being crushed. I am so excited of the progress I am making, Thank you so much. Ive also did the meditation you gave me, all I can say is wow! My mind got exhauseted fast trying to keep focus on my dantien. Thats some great mind training.
I have a question about iron fist. Will my knuckles look deformed after continuous training in iron fist? Also will it inerfere with my iron palm training? With the back hand strike.
Your great teachings has been invaluable to me, again thank you.
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 6, 2005 08:37 PMThank you Master Killer.
I am looking forward to that day.
I must comment on some more progress that has made me quite happy.
The knuckles on my fist (every single one) feels harder and is more caloused. It definitely still hurts when I train, but the progress is just too rewarding.
Just a quick question, there was this other article I read regarding Iron thread and it mentioned laying down and just leaving a cinder block on your chest...??? Doesn't that mess up your respiratory system? Just thought I'd ask.
your humble student,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at October 6, 2005 09:01 PMOh here's another interesting thing.
According to everything I've read, Chi guides your blood through the blood stream. This morning I woke up earlier than usual and had some time on my hands so I decided to do shin training early instead of later. Naturally the chi went down to my shins and brought the blood there too. When I went back inside my house after 20 minutes of beating my shins on a tree, I had 6 mosquito bites on each leg specifically below my knee and above my ankle.
Just a thought.
Posted by: Tim at October 6, 2005 09:40 PMEither this dude is crazy, or these are CIA operatives talking to each other in code. I can't tell which.
(The Americans are here!)
Fung, with iron fist there is deformation in the knuckles since you are also reshaping the structure of your hand, sharpening your tool, and developing a weapon. It wont be just a fist, it'll be a hammer. There is a lot of controversy on this qi kung but what people fail to understand is that this is a qi kung. Your qi heals as it reshapes. Eventually your hand will look "normal" but for a good while there will be callouses, bruises, and blisters. It will not interfere with any of your training, only enhance.
Tim, iron thread is an internal qi kung exercise. I believe the article was meant to say that with the iron thread qi kung your body becomes as hard as iron and can withstand a cinder block. It is a test, just like breaking bricks with iron palm.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer
What kind of preperation I can don before I hit the brick? Jow, hot water?
Thank you,
Posted by: Funge Doe Duk at October 8, 2005 08:26 PM
Also how long it will take to develope into an iron fist? The same time as iron Palm?
Treat iron fist like iron palm. Developing a true iron fist takes the same amount of time as a true iron palm, but you see the external results faster.
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at October 8, 2005 08:34 PM
Thank you Master Killer. After years of training in iron fist, are there any bad side effects that can happen? such as shaking of the hand?
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 9, 2005 05:30 PM
Thank you Master Killer. Are there any long term side effects of iron fist training? I have herd of people who have shaky hands and arthritis because of it.
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 9, 2005 05:32 PMsorry for the double post, I thought the first one didnt come up.
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 9, 2005 05:33 PMI have read articles that claim iron fist causes arthritis and other internal problems but I have never met anyone with or witnessed negative side effects of any qi kung. I believe that some of these articles are to deter you from training because qi kung is a combat necessity. In ancient times qi kung exercises were kept secret among clans and chosen few disciples. For that matter, they are still kept secret. Of the things I taught you, how many have you been able to research and find on your own? I believe that if you have the attitude and willpower to practice these qi kung exercises and master them, than you deserve the great rewards.
I cannot see how any qi kung will do damage. You can read my theory on qi in my previous quote. I give a complete logical explanation of qi. If you need it I can pasted it for you. In my clan, iron fist is a traditional exercise passed down from over 9 generation and never have I heard of any side effects. I have never experience any side effects myself. Also, as many people that I know from other clans who have mastered iron fist not one has ever complained of problems.
It is a common misconception, but you must decide for yourself. Nothing is full proof.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I got a question. If this stuff is so deadly and effective why aren't these qigong experts dominating UFC and K-1 and Pride FC? It's not against the rules to hit someone so they could iron palm and win easily if it was real.
Posted by: OZguy at October 9, 2005 08:25 PMThank you Master Killer, for clearing things up for me. My steel shot bag arived today, I think im going to have a little trouble on iron claw considering the bag weighs 21 lbs :/
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 9, 2005 09:10 PMIt's funny, just the other day, I read about how all these guys have managed to defend themselves from muggings using the 5 point Exploding Heart technique. Not surprising as that kind of thing would get a lot of attention, especially from the police.
Oh wait, my mistake, there's no documented example of that type of thing being done, ever.
Either it's BS or so hard to actually apply against a resisting opponent it's worthless.
EIther way who cares? I've no plans to go around assassinating sleeping horses at any time soon.
Posted by: Medi at October 10, 2005 04:59 AMFor OZguy:
UFC, Pride, etc. has many rules. No attacking the eyes, ears, throat, groin, back, kidneys, strong techniques against joints, and of course you can't kill anyone. Those tournaments are still considered sport fighting. Its a different level of physical and mental training. External qi kung was developed for war, kill or be killed, to be merciful to your enemy is to be cruel to yourself. I've never heard of anyone training iron palm for sport. It limits your potential. You train for dim mak (qi disruption/"death touch").
For Medi:
You are right, the 5 point exploding palm technique is too hard to apply to a resisting opponent, that's why iron palm is more practical since its only 1 hit. Please read my post on this.
I like your sarcasm..."no plans to go around assassinating sleeping horses at any time soon"... I hope not. A lot of people think the way you do. But these technique were developed for war. The fastest kill is the most efficient.
My motivation is the protection of my family. I must always be ready, whether someone breaks into my house or the country goes into anarchy. My war is with anyone who wants to harm the well-being of my family.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
You can attack the back, kidneys and joints in UFC and Pride FC. Get a clue before you answer next time. Just face it, your shit doesnt work in real fighting. If you opponent is a practice dummy or a compliant white belt then im sure you are very deadly lol
Posted by: OZguy at October 10, 2005 09:11 PMOh BTW dumbass Dimak is an entire pressure point attack system it's not a freaking death touch. Time to stop watching Van Damme hey?
Posted by: Ozguy at October 10, 2005 09:13 PMOZguy:
Here is a complete rules breakdown of UFC and Pride:
UFC
The Ultimate Fighting Championship is a classic bare knuckles competition. The fight occurs inside an octagon that is 32 feet across. The fighters are contained by a 5 foot link fence. Most participants have martial arts training in some discipline, however, this is by no means a requirement. It has a no holds barred philosophy although some rules have been added recently.
Winner is decided by ......
• By Submission (opponent taps mat)
• Knocked Out
• Disqualification
• Referee or doctor stops the fight
• The opponent's corner throws in the towel
• By judges in the later UFCs
Development of Rules:
Originally the rules were very limited. No biting, no fishhooking (to nostrils, mouth, etc). Also, eye gouging, and throat strikes have always be prohibited.
Other rules were later added such as no small joint manipulations (fingers, toes) and no hair pulling or groin shots. Time limits were also added.
While this is a highly intense sport, fighter safety is of paramount concern to UFC ownership and management. It is noteworthy that no competitor has ever been seriously injured in a UFC event.
Fouls:
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.
Pride
Matches are won via:
1 Ippon
A fighter taps either his opponent or the mat three times.
3 Technical Knockout
A Referee Stoppage---If the referee sees that one fighter is completely dominant to the point of endangering his opponent, the referee will stop the match.
B Doctor Stoppage---In the event that a fighter is injured (via fair methods) and cannot continue the match, his opponent will be declared the winner. The ring doctor will be the one to determine whether the fighter can continue or not. In the event that an injury was caused by illegal methods, the perpetrator will be disqualified.
C Forfeited Match---A fighter's corner throws in the towel.
4 Decision
If the match goes the distance, then the outcome of the bout is determined by the three judges. A decision is made according to the following: the effort made to finish the fight via KO or submission, damage given to the opponent, standing combinations & ground control, aggressiveness and weight (in the case that the weight difference is 10kg/22lbs or more). The above criteria are listed according to priority. The fight is scored in its entirety and not round by round. After the third round, each judge must decide a winner. Matches cannot end in a draw.
5 Disqualification
A "warning" will be given in the form of a yellow card when a fighter commits an illegal action or does not follow the referee's instruction. Three warnings will result in a disqualification.
6 No Contest
In the event that both sides commit a violation of the rules, the bout will be declared a "No Contest."
GROUNDS FOR DISQUALIFICATION
The following acts are regarded as "illegal actions." When a fighter commits any of these illegal actions, he will be given a warning from the referee (in the form of a yellow card). Warnings will be considered as negative points in the event that the match goes to a decision. Three warnings will result in a disqualification.
1 No head butting, eye gouging, hair pulling, biting or fish hooking.
2 No attacking the groin
3 No strikes (kicks, elbows, punching) to the back of the head (which includes the occipital region and the spine). The sides of the head and the area around the ears are not considered to be the back of the head.
4 No small joint manipulation (control of four or more fingers/toes is necessary).
5 No elbow strikes to the head and face.
6 No intentionally throwing your opponent out of the ring.
7 No running out of the ring.
8 No purposely holding the ropes. Fighters cannot purposely hang an arm or leg on the ropes. Hanging on the ropes will result in an immediate warning.
9 No kicks or knees to the head or the face of an opponent who falls face down.
10 No application of oil, ointment, spray, Vaseline, massaging cream, hair cream, or any other substances is permitted to any part of the fighter's body before and during the fights. The discovery of any of these substances will result in a disqualification.
So you see, there are many rules that do not apply to street combat. Dim Mak would certainly not be tolerated.
Dim Mak literally translated mean "qi disruption." It is not an actual combat system, but highly advanced techniques used in almost every Chinese boxing style. Dim Mak refers to a single technique or string of techniques used to cause immense pain and even death in an opponent. There are over 700 pressure points in the body. 108 of them are main targets, and 36 of those are the focus of Dim Mak. These 36 function the 12 meridians and can cause death. For instance, we'll take one of the two yin and yang exchange cavities. Huiyang is on the top of the head and when struck with an iron palm slap will cause death. Suigao is on the heart channel, and when struck with an iron fist will cause a heart attack.
Now, with stronger qi development, a master will appear to touch his opponent in one of these spots and cause death, hence the term "death touch." For my complete theory on qi, please refer to my previous posts. There is still a large gap between Eastern philosophy and Western philosophy. Qi has still not been fully researched and derived into Western medical terms. Therefore, we must form our own ideas. Many say electromagnetic energy. My theory follows the adrenaline theory.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
In a few days, Yom Kippur is coming up and on this day I have to fast. Since, I will be hungry, should I practice external qi gung on an empty stomach? does it make a difference?
Posted by: Tim at October 11, 2005 12:48 AMOn one hand, not eating will lower your qi strength because you are not getting the nutrients to keep up your energy. On the other hand, food nowadays has so many additives, hormones, pesticides, chemicals, etc. that cleansing your body will be good for your qi. Your body won't be using the energy to constantly balance itself by fighting these foreign chemicals.
The best time to train is between 5am and 6am on an empty stomach.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
All of you guys are full of shit regarding all your talk about the 5 point palm exploding heart technique.
This technique is impossible. I know that myself because I've been into martial arts for the last 30 years.
I'm gonna beat the shit out of all you guys there for wasting my time reading through all your comments. Wake up, guys!!! Be realistic and live in the real world.
You guys have been watching too many kung fu movies and have so much imagination. I'd like to challenge all of you together and use your knowledge of this technique on me and all I need to use is my left arm and left leg and beat all of you dreamers out there!!!!
9th Degree Black Belt Master
Posted by: 9th Degree Black Belt Master at October 11, 2005 10:47 AMIf you read through all of the comments like you said, then you would realize that we are not talking about the 5 point exploding heart technique. It has already been established that the technique is not realistic in a combat situation even if it were attainable. Cheers!
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at October 11, 2005 11:04 AMTo be a 9th degree Black Belt, you must be given the rank by a 10th degree. A 10th degree black belt is a grandmaster, a person who either inherited a style or invented it. In most instances an 8th degree is given the rank of 9th when he, among others, are the chosen few disciples who, one of which, will be the next inheritor of the style. A 9th degree black belt portrays all of the characteristics of a grandmaster. Matter of fact, you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 9th degree and 10th degree (grandmaster). Honesty, integrity, perseverance, self-control, indomitable spirit. Traditionally, the number one disciple (grandmaster's best student) was the only one to receive this rank. FYI.
Master Killer
You can try to spin it any way you want but a qi hit is not illegal. It's also not worthy that anytime anyone has done some fancy kung fu or TaeKwonDo move they usually get smashed half way through it. Fancy moves look good on the movies, tough break that real life isn't a movie. You guys should start to realise that, most people do when they grow up.
Posted by: OZguy at October 11, 2005 08:51 PMHi Master Killer. My iron fist is going pretty well but I would like to know if i should punch hard enough untill my knuckles slightly bleed? right now I have been hitting it hard enough that my knucks turn pretty red (right before it bleeds). My iron palm is beginning to get more intense. At fisrt with the steel shot bag, I let gravity do the work and it was fine. But yesterday and today im starting to slap the bag harder while still letting gravity doing the work and am feeling it pretty bad in my palm. So I could not do 50 straight slaps but 1 set of 30 then 20. Is that ok?
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 11, 2005 09:14 PMTraining for sport and training for combat are two different things. A cross-over from sport to combat is common, but not the other way around. How often have you heard of a Special Forces Marine training to fight at the UFC? It could happen, but he would be lessening his mental, emotional, and spiritual discipline. A man dedicating his life to mastering his qi will not decide to enter the sport combat. Let's take a few examples:
1. Iron Shin-he would break through his opponent's shin. If not disqualified the first time he would be the second time, since that is what hes mastered. Probably not interested in crippling a man for sport.
2. Iron Palm-he would rupture a kidney, give a heart attack, crush a spine, etc. If not disqualified the first time he would be the second time, since that is what hes mastered. Probably not interested in killing a man for sport.
3. Any animal style: tiger, crane, dragon, snake, panther, eagle... all depend upon open hand techniques and mastery of qi to attack vital cavities to cripple the enemy. Not for sport.
It is immoral. "It is noteworthy that no competitor has ever been seriously injured in a UFC event." These great fighters that you refer to are kept in a controlled environment.
Teh main purpose of mastering qi kung is to overpower the enemy by crippling or killing. Jet Li's main purpose is to entertain. Jackie Chan's main purpose is to entertain. The main purpose of the CEO of UFC is to make money, by entertaining. If people were killing each other, he would be out of business, out of money. The same goes for Pride.
Modern people don't want the Roman Coliseum. If they did, there would be tigers in the UFC cage.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Iron palm is a feeling exercise. If it feels right, its right. With iron fist there will be bleeding. Some days you will need to take off to let your knuckles heal.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
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Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at October 12, 2005 05:52 AMMaster Killer,
Out of curiousity why is the best time between 5 and 6 am? and is it ok to go back to sleep after that?
- Tim
Posted by: Tim at October 12, 2005 02:11 PMHere you go
quote" Qi is the cantonese term for adrenaline. From here on I will refer only to qi. Qi kung literaly translates to perfection of adrenaline. Internal is through mind control. External is through an outside forced influence.
You'll need some equipment: 1 iron palm bag.
This training is Iron Palm with emphasis on Dim Mak (qi disruption). Best to begin early in the morning when qi is strongest between 5am and 6am. If this is not practical for you, thats ok. Lite meditation as internal qi kung will start you off nicely.
10 minutes of Ch'an (Zen) meditation. Since you already have advanced training, you may want to strike the iron plam bag in horse stance. If not you can sit. Whatever you choose, make sure that the table or chair that the iron palm bag sits on is no higher or lower than your dan tien (where your adrenal gland and center of gravity is located, 3 inches below your belly button). Before you strike the bag, run your hands under warm/hot water and massage them to relax the muscles and stimulate the pressure points (5 minutes). In either horse stance or sitting, raise your hand head level and let gravity bring your hand to the bag. Do the same with the opposite hand. Repeat. After 50 times, rinse your hands under warm/hot water and massage. Return to position. This time repeat using the back of the hand. This is the first step, which I call Dim Mak Level I. Of course, this is all you really need but I teach my students to level 5.
The secret to this style is practice. Try for every day but no less than 4 days a week. If you train every day for three months, you will be able to slap through concrete slabs. Increase the amount of times you hit the bag at your discretion. Please feel free to ask any questions. A great Taoist philosopher and Tai Qi master is Erle Montaigue. He has a web site with alot of free stuff including all pressure points on the body and how they affect organs. Best wishes Master Killer
Posted by: masterkiller at March 23, 2005 05:06 PM " quote
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 12, 2005 03:51 PMMaster Killer, thanks for the website its real cool! I have a question regarding the knife hand strike. Is it better to hit the steel shot bag with it or a brick, like iron fist? Which will develope my breaking ability faster?
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 12, 2005 10:06 PMAlso, there is a spot on my left hand next to the pinky knuckle but its inside my palm, when i put pressure on it, it feels like its bruised. I had it for a few days and it doesnt hurt when I hit the bag. But im concered that if I keep hitting the bag it wont heal. What do you think? ( I got the invisible bruise from my graval bag, my hand landed on a sharp rock).
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 13, 2005 10:22 AMQi has never been specifically defined in western terms, only as "life force" and "energy." In my theory, qi is the Cantonese term for adrenaline. Here's why:
Internal-manipulation of adrenaline through "mind-control." Story of a husband working under a car and the car falls on him. In a panic, the wife somehow lifts the car and moves him to safety. Uncontrolled internal qi.
External-outside force influence causing the body to react by forming an adrenaline "forcefield." Accupoints trigger this "forcefield." Story of a car hitting a person and throwing him 20 yards. He only suffers minor bruises. Uncontrolled external qi.
If you practice internal and/or external, these adrenaline channels (qi channels) become larger and stronger along with the adrenal gland. Here is a phrase that I coined up, "the art of the perfection of adrenaline manipulation."
The body heals in 24 hour cycles, and most of this is done while you sleep. The same goes for qi, but it seems that qi is completely replenished around 5am. If you were to go to China, the parks would be littered with people practicing qi kung at this time.
You can go to sleep afterward.
You can practice with your knife hand using IP bag or brick. Strike with a side to side swiping motion twisting your wrist to generate power. This is used to crack ribs and break wrists at very close distance, about an inch.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
All comments that I've posed and will post are purely opinions that I believe are completely true. I feel that I am "enlightened" due to my experiences in martial arts and, according to the association of the "New York Combined Fist of Northern Shao Lin and Southern Sil Lum," with respect to the direct lineage of Monk Yim Sheung Mo and Monk Hung Hei Guan, I have demonstrated that I am fully qualified to give advice on all aspects of martial arts that I see fit.
Posted by: Master Killer at October 13, 2005 01:33 PMQi kung is a must in martial arts. You can practice forms, katas, and kuens as much as you want but without conditioning you will never achieve greatness.
Americanized martial arts teach forms first and eventually, hopefully, teach qi kung. Traditionally, qi kung is taught first or along with the style. You must first be able to "handle" the technique before you can learn it. Americanized martial arts teach the punch first, but it's worthless since the bones in the head and face are just as strong, if not stronger than the knuckles. Punch someone in the face and break your hand! The knuckles must be strong enough to "handle" it.
Either way you look at it, interest in martial arts brings you to qi kung. Out of my own curiosity, what is your boxing style of choice that made you interested in qi kung?
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
I dont know if your talking to me or Tim so im going to take a whack at it. My style is kind've mixed. I do some catch-as-catch can wrestling, like the Great Gama and Farmer Burns. I use Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do principles, like his feinting, intercepting, and counter tacticts. Some Dim-Mak using Erle Montaigue's approach like reptilian brain mode and fa-jing. Because of the lack of good teachers where I live I had to learn it from books and videos. With qi kung I can hone in on the skills I do have and filter out the techniques that the iron arts replace and generally make my method more crisp. Im focusing on short power about 1-3 inches away. If it is God's will eventually When I get the funds im going to take a trip and learn traditional shaolin arts.
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 14, 2005 12:17 PMIt sounds like you're working on a well rounded style. Bruce Lee was a great man, and his greatest legacy is not Jeet Kune Do, but what led him to his style, by bridging the gap between Eastern and Western thought. Jeet Kune Do was his style and his interpretation of what martial arts was to him, an expression of who he is. He said everyone should do the same and find a style which suits the individual, not the individual suiting the style. You will cherish it more if its yours; a piece of this style, a technique from that style, a concept here and there... make it yours. Research, trial and error, discover for yourself. Good Luck!
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
*Any art is expression of oneself*
Posted by: Master Killer at October 14, 2005 07:33 PMMaster Killer,
I believe the best style for me is no style. Bruce Lee had a very good comment about how the martial artist should become like water. One should be able to adapt. I live in brooklyn, ny and my neighborhood isnt exactly the greatest one in town. The only style that works on the street is the one that Johnny Depp's character mentioned in the movie "Pirates of the Carribean." "The rules are these - what a man can do and what a man can't do." In that kind of environment, I feel its best to absorb any technique from any style there is. For example, the throwing techniques of aikido and judo are extremely effective for using that person's chi against him. Yet, at the same time Muay Thai's powerful shins and knees offer great counter moves towards charging opponents as well. Of course, some of my favorite techniques are the snake fist shooting for the eyes, the nose, the temple, or even the groin. As long as you have balance, the stance you're in is irrelevant. If you take the simple punch from the opponent, there are literally 1000s of ways to counter that attack. However, once you limit yourself to a style, then your 1000 turns into a few hundred or even less. Bruce Lee was more than a martial artist, he was a brilliant philosopher of our time. Ancient China had Tao and Confucious, along with others, we have Bruce Lee.
Here are two famous quotes from him that guide me towards my goal in martial arts:
"When people talk about fighting schools they say that Kung Fu, or Karate, or this other style is the best. That is silly, and the problem becomes that the fighting style then becomes set in stone with no growth, and no adaptation, because what works well with me might not work for you."
"A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard. Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him."
Now, I am only 19 and still young, but I hope that after many years of hard training, I expose more people to the world of martial arts. I believe Martial Arts is more than just about fighting. It is about the way you live.
Posted by: Tim at October 15, 2005 01:00 PMVery intriguing and insightful Tim. A few things I would like to comment on.
You are correct, there are limitless ways to counter and so forth. And you do not want to become a machine with no emotion or growth potential. Bruce Lee was trained in many styles and formed a strong martial arts base. It takes endless drills and constant training on a single goal (but it can be more than one). From there he developed his own style. This is not a new idea, and Bruce Lee was not a new philosopher of thought, rather, he was a Taoist and a philosopher of himself. He put into western terms the philosophies of the east. "Become like water" is a saying over 2000 years old. What Bruce Lee meant by adapt from a style is to keep an open mind and react naturally, as to say how nature intended you to react, with emotions. Do not set boundaries. A style has boundaries. Learn the style and make it "yours."
Trial and tribulation. A style was developed by an individual for that individual. Everyone is different, so do not copy a single style for the rest of your life. Jeet Kune Do is deeply rooted in Wing Chun.
Originally, martial arts was only about fighting, military tactics. Asian history is so advanced and it has evolved over 4,500 years. Everything became an art, an expression of the individual. The base is to learn to fight, then allow nature, the Tao, to work you, no limits. Here is a quote from Bruce Lee that I very much like. It goes a little something like this:
"There are 3 mental/physical steps in martial arts:
1. In the beginning, a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick.
2. Over time, a punch is no longer a punch and a kick is no longer a kick.
3. In the end, a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick."
Pick you goals and style and train hard. You will see it for what it is in the eyes of who you are. Then, after years of training and being a machine concentrating on neuromuscular memory and making what you want to be who you are. During this time, you see things more than what they really are and over analyze them. But, when you become what you wanted to be you see things as what they are in the eyes of who you wanted to be. It is a natural process.
Bruce Lee was an expert Wing Chun fighter. If you only intend to master a style, you are already setting limits on your potential. Master a style, then master your potential. If you look closely at Chinese martial arts lineage, most styles only had 1 or 2 forms. The style was mastered and the inheritor added to the style what his interpretation was. Over and over and over, styles are now very "large."
Military tactics=war
Martial Art=the art of expressing military tactics, an expression of oneself on the concepts of war.
The streets are war. Kill or be killed. To be merciful to your enemy is to be cruel to yourself. The fastest kill is the most efficient.
What happens when a Buddhist/Taoist comes across military tactics?
Why should a priest learn kung fu? The thorn defends the rose.
A way of life, a balance of peace and war, yin and yang.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
The skin in my pointer finger knuckle on my left hand is gone and I still have a bruised bone in my left palm and a bruised bone in my right hand connecting my pinky finger to my palm. How long can I go without iron palm & fist training untill it heals?
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 15, 2005 06:59 PMYou have not really answered my question Masterkiller. Maybe we could talk on an IM or via email instead of posting here out loud. I need some further information on things.
Posted by: OZguy at October 15, 2005 07:33 PMIn the beginning, you will have many injuries. Healing is an important process with external qi kung. Take as long as you need to. With every healing phase, make sure you concentrate on healing so it is quick. Internal qi kung with strong emphasis on meditation and massage will be good for you. Also, try to soak in a hot tub, sauna, bath, etc. Become aware of your body. Subconscious reconnection. Most people have a "dirty" body/mind subconscious connection where the mind cannot fully recognize illness and injury, therefore cannot heal to the fullest potential. Qi reconnects the mind and body. It can be approached internally or externally, or both. The stronger the qi, the stronger the mind/body connection. The stronger the mind/body connection, the stronger the qi. This is the Tao. Think of your body as the Yin Yang symbol.
OZguy, I would us rather communicate here. I do not have IM and for my own personal reason I do not give out my email address. How can I answer your question? And what information do you need?
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Tim, you said that you live in Brooklyn. If you are interested in a school, look up Master Carl Albright. His website is undergoing new construction, so I will tell you a little about him.
He has mastered many styles of kung fu, hard and soft. Currently, he teaches 7 star mantis and quite possibly Hung Gar. He has more than mastered iron palm. He lived in China for many years and was a "closed-door disciple" for a few styles of kung fu. He was a student under Buck Sam Kong for Hung Gar and his 7 star mantis lineage is even more impressive. He has also fought in China at "Bloodsport" type tournaments where people did loose their lives. He is undefeated, weapons included. Good Luck.
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at October 16, 2005 05:32 PMMasterKiller
I am a longtime student of kungfu and was a practicing acupuncturist so I know that there is such a thing as chi..there is NO doubt..anyway I have some questions would you please contact me by email? jetli34@hotmail.com
Thank you
Posted by: charlesatl796 at October 16, 2005 06:49 PMI would rather stay anonymous and not give my email address, but I am willing to make some exceptions. Why must we communicate through email?
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I studied the iron palm and from what GOD HAS GATHERED YOU ARE ON SOME SERIOUS BULLSHIT HOW MUCH OF MY FUCKING TIME DID YOU WASTE. I WILL USE THE POINTING ONE FINGER INSTANT DEATH TECHNIQUE ON YOUR MARK ASS IF YOU TYPE ANY MORE BULLSHIT FOR MY CHILDREN TO READ DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF SHIT YOU JUST GOT YOURSELF IN MASTER KILLER YOU BETTER QI UP CAUSE IT DOESN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN GETTING GOD ANGRY AND NOTHING IS WORSE THAN THE WRATH OF AN ANGRY GOD I'LL MAKE YOU APPRENTICE KILLER INSTEAD OF MASTER KILLER I'M GOING TO OPEN UP ALL 36 CHAMBERS ON YOUR CANDY ASS FUCKING BITCH
~God
Thank you for the quick response. It is just that I had rather advanced questions that I didnt know if you wanted asked in this forum and it seems some people dont hold such things as chi in high regard. Again since I was a practicing licensed acupuncturist for over 20 years I have no doubt there is chi..I had some advanced questions on iron vest/iron body and iron sand palm..I can ask them here but I thought you might be more comfortable answering via email. Again I respect your opinion so its up to you. Thank you,
Posted by: charlesatl796 at October 16, 2005 07:26 PMMasterKiller
you really do suffer from psychological disorders I'm going to have to send you to hell but since your buddhist I will reincarnate you as a tree so you can be cut down written on and after people take a shit they will wipe their asses with you. What gives the life I have given you isn't good enough so you have to fabricate people to give yourself credibility. I'm trying to regain some faith in humanity but noooo Masterkiller has go along and fuck it all up. I said I was through when the bitch eve gave my son adam that apple now its some "Bitch" named Apprentice Killer pumping out bullshit take my advice Master of Masturbating go get a fucking day job or a fucking hobby build some legos or something bitch
~God
I would tell you bitches to kill yourselves but I have enough problems checking everyone at heaven's gates I had to send the gatekeeper to hell because he was letting in homosexual men but I allowed in all the lesbians because they feed me my fruit from my fucking trees in my fucking garden of eden I can't let any balls in mouth bitches like you to the gates. Hell is getting crowded to so I may just send your mark ass to oblivion
Posted by: God at October 16, 2005 07:38 PMYou have just got me intrigued on a few things Master Killer and I would like to talk more personally if possible instead of bouncing back and forth on a forum here. If not I understand, I seldom give out my details online either. Maybe we could meet on an IRC server that way we aren't giving out details on this forum for all to see.
Posted by: OZguy at October 16, 2005 11:01 PMIt's rare to find people who will actually put the time and effort into the training of qi kung exercises, especially blindly over the internet. It's even less typical for these people to continue training over a lengthy period, keeping in mind that there are phases where it appears to have no noticeable effects. I would say about 20% of the people who read this forum will attempt an exercise. Of that, less than 10% will continue to practice.
There will always be skeptics. But there is also a handful of martial arts enthusiasts who will take what I have to offer, my experiences, and train with unconditional faith.
What I have to teach I would like to keep in this forum, with hopes of someone someday reading what I have written and using it to make their life more fulfilling.
Tim and Fung, do not put too much on your plate. You will get overwhelmed. Learn a lot of many, retain nothing.
Believing is Seeing (Yang) --> Seeing is Believing (Yin)
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
master killer,
it's been a month since you gave me advice and i've been practicing diligently resting my hand and shins on the weekend. my progress is good. i have a question would it be a good idea to practice a chi gung exercise like holding the ball. i just read your last few comments i don't intend on asking for more than i can handle. i'm not doing anything else than what you've prescribed can i add to my training or should i just stick to iron fist, palm and shin. i would like to train my forearm for it's iron benefits will it be to much or is it okay to do it.
thank you master killer
Posted by: mike at October 17, 2005 10:44 AMWell master killer if you can talk via IRC let me know. I will meet you on any server you like.
Posted by: Ozguy at October 17, 2005 11:19 AMMaster Killer,
I am taking your advice.
I have been waking up at 5 for the past 3 days. I'm quite tired, but its worth it. I can literally feel this warmth and vibration just from doing internal qi gong.
furthermore, I have decided to dedicate myself to fewer excercises.
These are the excercises I have been doing consistently:
Iron Fist
Iron Fingers
Iron Forearm
Iron Shin
I have advanced from the bucket of sand with iron fingers to gravel. Thank you Master Killer.
- Tim
Posted by: Tim at October 17, 2005 04:55 PMMike, if you feel like you're ready, go for it.
OZguy, I may be able to meet you on an IRC, but I'll have to research exactly what it is and how to use it.
Tim, that sounds like a good line-up of exercises.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
Do you know the technique for piercing finger? Or is it the same as iron finger? Also I did your advice regarding the healing of my hands yesterday, I have to say its working well thank you.
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 17, 2005 08:04 PMAlso Im still perplexed regarding the iron snake. So when I buy the carribean play sand, and after I advance on it I switch to stones right? Wouldnt that be more difficult than steel shot? The shots are round and the pebbles are a distorted shape (at least mines were). My steel shot bag is easier to hit than my old gravel bag since its round. Am I missing something here? I really want to do this 100% right.
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 17, 2005 08:35 PMOK master killer. www.mirc.com is for a program for irc. there are lots of servers already listed in that program also that are decent to chat on. Let me know if/when ready. I'm in no rush. :)
Posted by: OZguy at October 17, 2005 10:43 PMI stumbled upon a book of chinese philosophy in the library and thought I should share this excerpt.
One day, Lieh Tzu asked Kuan Yin by saying ' "The Man of Extreme Power... can tread on fire without being burnt. Walk on the top of the whole world and not stagger." May I ask how he attains to this?'
'He is protected,' said Kuan Yin, ' by the purity of his breath. Knowledge and skill, determination and courage could never lead to this... When a drunk man falls from his carriage, however fast it may be going, he is never killed. His bones and joints are not different from those of other men; but his susceptibility to injury is different from theirs. This is because his souls is intact. He did not know that he was riding; he does not know that he was fallen out. Neither death nor life, astonishment nor fear can enter into his chest; therefore when he bumps into things, he does not stiffen with fright. If such integerity of the spirit can be got from wine, how much greater must be the integrity that is got from heaven.'
Fung, many names for the same techniques. It is a political issue between sects of the same clan. For an example, look up Grandmaster Chu Kao (son Chu Chi Ling, grandson Chu Chi Wai) and Grandmaster Lam Cho (son Lam Chun Fai). Hung Gar sect rivals. They both claim Lam Tsai Wing's Lineage.
Steel is heavier and stronger, and the shape is perfect for properly targeting the accupoints in the hands.
OZguy, I'll check it out and let you know.
Tim, sounds like an excerpt from the "Tao Te Ching."
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
master killer,
About what I said earlier, I just wanted to clear up that I live in Brooklyn, but go to school in Rochester. So, I won't be able to look up Sifu Carl Albright.
Oh, and I must confess, waking up at 5am is getting harder and harder. Mainly, this is because we college students don't really go to sleep until midnight or 1am or sometimes later.
I think I might just have to do my qi gong excercises during the day.
Posted by: Tim at October 18, 2005 01:26 PMMaster Killer,
So would it be detrimental to my health if I move from C-sand to SS's? Since I find stones to be more difficult?
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 18, 2005 01:41 PMmaster killer
can you give me a chi exercise or meditation to add so i can find peace within my mind.
thank you master killer
Posted by: mike at October 18, 2005 02:22 PMI have a funny to story to share with you all. I've been practicing Iron Palm deligently now on my mung bean bag and have seen excellent results. The other day I was irritated and having a very bad day, I accidently lost my temper (rarely happens) and punched a door in my bathroom, something I used to do all the time before I started Iron Palm training. Well thanks to the Iron Palm training I punched a 5 inch hole in the wall. The door needs to be replaced LOL. I guess my training is working. I realized I need to be way more responsible now. Great power great responsiblity right?
Posted by: Guard at October 18, 2005 05:12 PMTim, don't wear yourself out. If 5am is too much for you, you may be doing more harm than good. As long as you train it does not really matter what time you practice. Your qi cycle may be different since your body is on a different schedule. There are a lot of minor details that will make your qi stronger, for instance the food you eat...we cannot all eat organic.
Fung, if you want you can train with sand and never move on to stones or steel. This was the original training but over time new techniques were added. Always experiment with new ideas and find what works best for you. Disregard claims of eye or liver damage from over-stimulation to accupoints in the finger tips. These claims are false.
Mike, Here is a guide to meditation. It is from the website http://www.mro.org/zmm/meditation/
I have modified it to the key points:
Ch'an (Zen) Buddhists are generally known as the "meditation Buddhists."
The great Master Dogen said, "To study the Buddha Way is to study the self, to study the self is to forget the self, and to forget the self is to be enlightened by the ten thousand things." To be enlightened by the ten thousand things is to recognize the unity of the self and the ten thousand things. For two thousand five hundred years meditation has continued, from generation to generation; it's the most important thing that has been passed on. It spread from India to China, to Japan, to other parts of Asia, and then finally to the West. It's a very simple practice. It's very easy to describe and very easy to follow. But like all other practices, it takes doing in order for it to happen.
We tend to see body, breath, and mind separately. The body has a way of communicating outwardly to the world and inwardly to oneself.
Begin by sitting in a chair with your feet flat on the floor. It's very important to keep the spine straight with the lower part of the back curved.
The importance of keeping the back straight is to allow the diaphragm to move freely. The breathing you will be doing becomes very, very deep. Your abdomen will rise and fall much the same way an infant's belly rises and falls. In general, as we mature, our breathing becomes restricted, and less and less complete. We tend to take shallow breaths in the upper part of the chest. Usually, we've got our belts on very tight or we wear tight clothing around the waist. As a result, deep, complete breathing rarely occurs. Allow the diaphragm to move freely so that the breathing can be deep, easy, and natural. You don't have to control it. You don't have to make it happen. It will happen by itself.
Once you've positioned yourself, there are a few other things you can check on. The mouth is kept closed. Unless you have some kind of a nasal blockage, breathe through your nose. The tongue is pressed lightly against the upper palate. This reduces the need to salivate and swallow. The eyes are kept lowered, with your gaze resting on the ground about two or three feet in front of you. Your eyes will be mostly covered by your eyelids, which eliminates the necessity to blink repeatedly. The chin is slightly tucked in. There should be no tension in the body. It doesn't take strength to keep the body straight. The nose is centered in line with the navel, the upper torso leaning neither forward nor back.
The hands are folded. The dominant hand is held palm up holding the other hand, also palm up, so that the knuckles of both hands overlap. If you're right-handed, your right hand is holding the left hand; if you're left-handed, your left hand is holding the right hand. The thumbs are lightly touching, thus the hands form an oval. In Ch'an, we focus on the breath. The breath is life. The word "spirit" means breath. The words "chi" in Chinese, meaning power or energy, both derive from breath. Breath is the vital force; it's the central activity of our bodies. Mind and breath are one reality: when your mind is agitated your breath is agitated; when you're nervous you breathe quickly and shallowly; when your mind is at rest the breath is deep, easy, and effortless.
It is important to center your attention in the dan tien. The dan tien is a place within the body, located two inches below the navel. It's the physical and spiritual center of the body. Put your attention there; put your mind there. As you develop, you'll become more aware of the dan tien as the center of your attentiveness.
Breathing
Begin rocking the body back and forth, slowly, in decreasing arcs, until you settle at your center of gravity. The mind is in the dan tien, hands are folded, mouth is closed, tongue pressed on the upper palate. You're breathing through the nose and you're tasting the breath. Keep your attention on the dan tien and the breath. Imagine the breath coming down into the dan tien and returning from there. Make it part of the whole cycle of breathing. Feel your breathing through your whole body. Your body expands and contracts as one. Think of your whole body as one big lung.
We begin working on ourselves by counting the breath, counting each inhalation and each exhalation, beginning with one and counting up to ten. When you get to ten, come back to one and start all over. The only agreement that you make with yourself in this process is that if your mind begins to wander - if you become aware that what you're doing is chasing thoughts - you will look at the thought, acknowledge it, and then deliberately and consciously let it go and begin the count again at one.
The counting is a feedback to help you know when your mind has drifted off. Each time you return to the breath you are empowering yourself with the ability to put your mind where you want it, when you want it there, for as long as you want it there. That simple fact is extremely important. It's the source of all the activity of our lives.
When you've been practicing this process for a while, your awareness will sharpen. You'll begin to notice things that were always there but escaped your attention. Because of the preoccupation with the internal dialogue, you were too full to be able to see what was happening around you. The process begins to open that up.
When you're able to stay with the counting and repeatedly get to ten without any effort and without thoughts interfering, it's time to begin counting every cycle of the breath. Inhalation and exhalation will count as one, the next inhalation and exhalation as two. This provides less feedback, but with time you will need less feedback.
Eventually, you'll want to just follow the breath and abandon the counting altogether. Just be with the breath. Just be the breath. Let the breath breathe itself. That's the beginning of the falling away of body and mind. It takes some time and you shouldn't rush it; you shouldn't move too fast from counting every breath to counting every other breath and on to following the breath. In the process of working with the breath, the thoughts that come up, for the most part, will be just noise, just random thoughts. Sometimes, however, when you're in a crisis or involved in something important in your life, you'll find that the thought, when you let it go, will recur. You let it go again but it comes back, you let it go and it still comes back. Sometimes that needs to happen. Don't treat that as a failure; treat it as another way of practicing. This is the time to let the thought happen, engage it, let it run its full course. But watch it, be aware of it. Allow it to do what it's got to do, let it exhaust itself. Then release it, let it go. Come back again to the breath. Start at one and continue the process.
Scattered mental activity and energy keeps us separated from each other, from our environment, and from ourselves. In the process of sitting, the surface activity of our minds begins to slow down. The mind is like the surface of a pond - when the wind is blowing, the surface is disturbed and there are ripples. Nothing can be seen clearly because of the ripples; the reflected image of the sun or the moon is broken up into many fragments.
Out of that stillness, our whole life arises. If we don't get in touch with it at some time in our life, we will never get the opportunity to come to a point of rest. In deep meditation a person breathes at a rate of only two or three breaths a minute. Normally, at rest, a person will breathe about fifteen breaths a minute - even when we're relaxing, we don't quite relax. The more completely your mind is at rest, the more deeply your body is at rest. Respiration, heart rate, circulation, and metabolism slow down in deep meditation. The whole body comes to a point of stillness that it doesn't reach even in deep sleep. This is a very important and very natural aspect of being human. It is not something particularly unusual. All creatures of the earth have learned this and practice this. It's a very important part of being alive and staying alive: the ability to be completely awake.
It is important to be patient and persistent, to not be constantly thinking of a goal, of how the sitting practice may help us. We just put ourselves into it and let go of our thoughts, opinions, positions - everything our minds hold onto. The human mind is basically free, not clinging. In meditation we learn to uncover that mind, to see who we really are.
Meditation is and should always be taught first before any internal qi kung. This meditation will help you to understand your external qi kung better and bridge the gap so you can consciously use your qi to enhance your external qi kung. This is the original Ch'an Buddhist meditation taught by Tamo Bodhidharma who migrated from India to China and then to Japan (where they use the term Zen). A better understanding of the history gives you a better understanding of the exercise. You should research the history of meditation.
Guard, great power great responsibility is absolutely right. I like to think of qi kung "power" as that of the Jedi knight. You can do good, but with so much power it is very easy to be pulled to the "dark side." STAY HUMBLE!
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
master killer
The dark side? what are you a fucking star wars geek. I will send you to the hell side if you keep this bullshit up
Posted by: God at October 19, 2005 02:30 PMMaster Killer,
First, I want to keep you up to date about my current excercises.
The external results of my Iron Fist are getting more and more visible. I am beginning to understand the meaning of sharpening your tools. For my fingers, they are beginning to penetrate the entire bucket of sand cause after I do my set I can see my hand going deeper into the sand. My Iron forearm and shins could still use a lot more practice before any new results I think. But yes, I practice hard everyday.
I was wondering if you could you give me some excercises for increasing wrist strength? I want to integrate that into my workout.
Thanks,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at October 19, 2005 05:21 PMHow deep do you plunge your hand into the sand? Is the idea to put your whole arm in it? I have a 15in wide by 16in tall cauldron.
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 19, 2005 06:10 PMTim, iron wrist qi kung consists of many exercises. I'll give you two of the basics.
1. 2 end knuckle push-ups (like a horizontal punch) and 3 end knuckle push-ups (like a vertical punch).
2. The "windlass."
a. Buy a 2'-3' piece of wood. Drill a hole
in the center. Feed rope through the hole
and make a tight knot. Tie a 5lb weight at
the other end of the rope (the total length
from the end of the weight to the piece of
wood should be about 4'-5').
b. Hold the piece of wood in front of you,
arms shoulder height, elbows extended, palms
facing the floor, weight touching the floor
with the rope pulled tight.
c. Curl your right wrist downward to train
your wrist and bottom forearm, or curl it up
to train your wrist and top forearm. After
one rep, curl your left wrist, then right
wrist. Alternate until the weight has
reached the wood. Now again alternating and
using control, lower the weight just above
the floor. Do not let it touch the
floor. Do as many reps as you can without
stopping. You should be able to do 10 sets,
5 up and 5 down. If you began by curling
down on the first 10 sets, the next 10 sets
you should begin by curling up. Do this
every day, about 20 sets total.
Fung, using the same concepts as iron palm, allow gravity to do your "work." Tuck in your thumb, spread your fingers, and drop them into the sand. This begins as a isometric qi kung exercise that works the joints and ligaments in the fingers. Stay relaxed.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Thank you Master Killer. Also I just want to say I might not be able to post here for a few days or possibly weeks, maybe longer do to the fact I have to prepare and or recover to the possible threat of Hurricane Wilma. Ill post here again as soon as im able.
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 19, 2005 10:59 PMAre you people andiginous or are you all just Apprentice Killer pretending to be multiple people. That's right I know apprentice killer is fabricating people; want to know how I know this, because I see everything know everything and am everything. So.. I will just have to send Apprentice Killer to hell and then send hell to oblivion to get rid of my lacking features.
~God
Posted by: God at October 20, 2005 01:22 AMMaster Killer,
Ok, so here's a problem. At the moment, the temperature is 47 degrees. Essentially, what I'm saying is its cold. Usually for my shin training I go outside barefoor in shorts and hit the tree. In fact, most of my training is done outside and can't really be done inside.
I definitely do not want to stop training, but this morning I woke up with a sore throat from training last night in the cold. Now, I usually have no problem with being sick with the cold a few days, but if I'm constantly in the cold, I don't think I would get better. In other words, I could really use your advice.
Thanks,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at October 20, 2005 07:54 PMHave any of you other idiots noticed that Master Killer and Student of Master Killer and a few others all use the same email address to post here? Talk about dumb, trying to talk yourself up pretending to be other people and you are too stupid to even use diff email addys. LOL
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 20, 2005 08:53 PMRecent studies show that the weather does not lower your immune system or make you more susceptible to illness. Do not train any external qi kung while you are sick. Allow your body to heal.
The Shaolin Monks trained year 'round, and the weather is much like it is in the U.S. The north is colder and the south is warmer with varying seasons.
Stay warm while you train, wear sweat pants and long jons when you do your shin training, hand warmers, ski mask, etc.
For the skeptics:
How do all us fabrications use the same email address?
And if so, what is it?
And where would I go to find out this email address?
Why would it matter to you?
How does the 5 point exploding heart technique have any relevance in your life, enough significance for you to read all of the comments on this forum, have an ounce of understanding or curiosity about the topic and subtopics, and make false accusations with no evidence of your convictions?
How extensive is your knowledge of martial arts to think you can actually compete with me regarding comprehension of the above stated? What are your credentials?
Who do you know that matters and can verify this?
IMPRESS ME!
By the way "God," you made a small mistake in a previous comment. Afterlife reincarnation is of the Hindu religion. Buddhism's reincarnation is from moment to moment, emotion to emotion, emotion being a different internal person, with the hopes of escaping the karmatic wheel in this life. Neutral karma=escape of negative emotion=inner peace=nirvana. Buddhists by no means claim an afterlife. A tree...Ha Ha...I'm sure you must have overlooked this, but thank you for the offer.
THIS FORUM IS NOT FOR YOU! KEEP MOVING!
Master Killer
cheesot@aol.com
tessagirl0715@hotmail.com
tessagirl0715@aol.com
take your pick you bogus chump
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 21, 2005 01:00 AMyou ve to look to www.kyusho.be there are deadly techniques..
Posted by: peter at October 21, 2005 08:10 AMWhat would you like me to do with them? And that is just one question that you attempted to answer.
There are only three, so which names match?
And where would I go to find out this email address?
Why would it matter to you?
How does the 5 point exploding heart technique have any relevance in your life, enough significance for you to read all of the comments on this forum, have an ounce of understanding or curiosity about the topic and subtopics, and make false accusations with no evidence of your convictions?
How extensive is your knowledge of martial arts to think you can actually compete with me regarding comprehension of the above stated? What are your credentials?
Who do you know that matters and can verify this?
So you believe that you proved your point, now you can continue your journey and move on.
This forum is a martial arts external qi kung information page. Whether I am one of these people or all does not matter. What does matter is what I have to offer to those who want to reach their highest potential; mentally, physically, spiritually, and emotionally. If only one young martial arts enthusiast reads this forum and takes something from it, changing his/her life and helping to acquire a more deep understanding of the self, my intentions will be satisfied.
Are you on the path to reach your highest human potential? Why don't you try one of these exercises? There are many to choose from. I will be here for advice.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
I've been using Dit Da Jow since the summer. I was wondering if there are any methods of applying it properly? Number of times or anything like that?
Thanks,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at October 21, 2005 09:45 PMAnother story to share, I recently started boxing classes. I started with a friend and his brother and they both complain of wrist/hand pain from hitting the various heavy bags (goes from like 80 lbs to a monsterious 200 lbs) even when they use handwraps and gloves. I have no such pain even when I go bare knuckle on the bag! ..and I'm sure it is because of the Iron Palm conditioning. I've also stepped up my training and began using the Mung Bean slappers my Iron Palm bag came with to condition my forearms, shins, ribs, and neck.
Posted by: Guard at October 22, 2005 03:43 AMSimple. THey are all yours. you decided to change them throughout this thread. Master Killer and Student of Master killer used the same one on the same day. ooops lol. Like I said, how pathetic are you to be talking yourself up pretending to be your own student.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 22, 2005 04:06 AMOh btw go to this same thread and you can see the email address as you scroll over the username you moron.
http://www.kissaboo.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=154
Just incase you are too dumb to even remember your own thread Master Killer. LOL what a n00b, get a clue about the net before you try scamming on it.
Everyone can go there and see for themselves that you are a retard pretending to be your own student.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 22, 2005 04:08 AMTim, massage the jow into your hands or whatever part you are training. Try to leave it on as long as possible, all day if you can so it will penetrate the skin, bones, muscles, ligaments, tendons.
Guard, you have qi behind you punch, they do not. Qi protects and heals as well. You are training an exercise of external iron body. Good luck.
Moron-Buster, even if you rub your two brain cells together you still wouldnt even begin to pick up what im putting down. Explaining this to you is like discussing physics with a 5 year old. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, talk to you in a civil manner, and even offer to counsel you in some training, but you are relentless in making yourself look like a fucking retard.
I posted comments under Ji bin Zhong and Tong Fong. So fucking what. They are to teach a lesson that your bitch ass would never grasp.
Is this what you do in your free time, search the web, typing with one hand with your dick in the other, getting off at trying to prove people wrong? This mustve made your shit limp. Get a clue queer.
Master Killer
hey moron-buster,
I'm not a fan of proving people wrong, nor do I have such skill as you do. I'm sure it took sometime to become clever with the computer. However, if need be I have a few fraternity brothers that are 3rd year computer science majors and have walked in and out of the bursar office computers with ease. I'm happy you have the ability to check emails, but that doesnt prove anything.
Now, of course, since I'm so bad at proving people wrong I'm not going to mention that I've been doing Iron Palm training for 2 months now. It seems pretty useless. You're probably right. The fact that I got into a fight at a party on campus because the guy decided it would be fun to poor beer on a girls head has nothing to do with training. I mean where do I come off telling you that Iron Palm is something just because I punched the guy in both his kidneys and not only did he drop to the ground like rock, but after he got up he stumbled to the bathroom to puke his brains out. See, it was just a harmless attack. I'm not even sure why he was complaining about blood in his urine. It's not like there's any point to getting your fists strong. I mean how stupid can all of us possibly be. You're right moron-buster, we have nothing better to then fabricate training secrets on a forum. I mean come on, its called "Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique." Only low-life losers like ourselves decided to search for soemthing like that on google and then start posting ridiculous nonsense thinking that for some reason it increases longevity. Clearly, we have some mental problems. Forgive us for wasting your precious time, it seems that your life is so filled with wonderous and meaningful things. I don't even know why you keep coming back to trade words with us. Please, don't give us this honor anymore. We're not worthy.
Thank you and goodbye,
Tim
Posted by: Tim at October 22, 2005 05:01 PMGood work my child Moron Buster for verifying this blasphemy of the HOLY WORD.
Master killer - By the way "God," you made a small mistake in a previous comment. Afterlife reincarnation is of the Hindu religion. Buddhism's reincarnation is from moment to moment, emotion to emotion, emotion being a different internal person, with the hopes of escaping the karmatic wheel in this life. Neutral karma=escape of negative emotion=inner peace=nirvana. Buddhists by no means claim an afterlife. A tree...Ha Ha...I'm sure you must have overlooked this, but thank you for the offer.
THIS FORUM IS NOT FOR YOU! KEEP MOVING!
The fuck?? I am God, I am everywhere, I am anywhere, I am everything. You do not give GOD ORDERS YOU FEAR GOD I GIVE YOU ORDERS YOU KEEP SHIT MOVING, IF YOU KEEP THIS BULLSHIT UP TO HELL YOUR BITCH ASS GOES CAPESHE. ANYTHING I DO OR SAY IS LAW THAT IS THE LAW GO STUDY THAT SHIT YOU BITCH. HINDU BUDDHISM ALL THE JURISDICTION IS DONE BY ME IF BUDDHIST MONKS LIKE TO WEAR ORANGE IT'S BECAUSE I SAID SO BITCH! CAPRENDE SENIORITA?
MasterKiller - Moron-Buster, even if you rub your two brain cells together you still wouldnt even begin to pick up what im putting down. Explaining this to you is like discussing physics with a 5 year old.
The Fuck?? Master Killer where the fuck do you get off judging other peoples intelligence or integrity when you yourself have just been unveiled as a scenario fabricating liar that goes against one of my commandments a proper response is to admit your flaws and try to correct them if you wish to make it to heavens gates and get accepted into divinity. Another thing is that the average five year old has greater potential to understanding the Holy Word versus a thirty year old who's comprehension has hit the fan. F.Y.I. I am 0 years old.
The only reason why I decided to come on here is because I see compassion and heart within your efforts yet with an err such as this you will not be allowed in the gates so I recommend you now to ask for my forgiveness if geniune and you promise not to post fabrication or falsification you will be forgiven and greatness shall be your future.
~God
Posted by: God at October 22, 2005 07:12 PMI have encountered countless skeptics in my years. Many I have converted to the martial way or a path to a higher potential. Some have skulls thicker than the bricks that I break. Very few are like "God." Clearly, he has problems. IGNORE HIM! He will go away. There is no argument that you can win. In his mind, he is God. This is not healthy and not to be tempted. We shall continue with this forum as we were.
To everyone: my apologies for the outburst earlier posted, but I felt it was necessary.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I clearly show the proof and like most fanatics you quickly run for cover, even getting angry that I could show that proof. Makes me laugh, but at the end of the day yeah it is you not me wasting time doing this magical lord of the rings wannabe training. Good luck with that hey :) Maybe if you want to learn from real martial artists you will go to www.martialartsplanet.com. But I can tell you now Master Killer would get run off there in about 5mins, see bullshit doesnt float there. lol
Posted by: Moron at October 23, 2005 12:08 AMSucks to be you Master Killer. I bet that tastes sour, asking me to prove what I said and I did. Ouch hey :)
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 23, 2005 01:06 AMNot sure if you are being sarcastic or serious Tim. Regardless, I proved he was faking being other people responding to himself and showed everyone how to see for themselves. Even if his information is correct (which btw the experts on Martial Arts Planet say it is not) it would still not excuse his lying and giving false testimony to himself. It's just lame and sad. I feel particularly bad for the poor people on here that took that chumps words as gospel. Turns out most of those people were him too though hehe.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 23, 2005 01:12 AMmoron-buster,
The fact that you couldn't realize that it was sarcasm is pretty sad. Y'know they have these buildings with these rooms that have these desks. I think they call them schools and usually there's this thing they do there called teaching. Now, I know this is probably a foreign concept to you, but you should look into this whole education thing. If not, then go back to sitting on your rocking chair and spitting in a can.
Posted by: Tim at October 23, 2005 01:55 AMYou are wise to change your email address now Tim. Pity I already got your real one from your earlier posts :)
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 23, 2005 02:40 AMMoron buster, why are you still here?
To summarize:
You accuse me of fabricating names. Of over 250 posts on this forum, 4 of them are mine under a name other than Master Killer.
1. Dear Master Killer,
I have tried your qi kung exercise and I am
amazed that I already am feeling results. My
hands vibrate/tingle constantly and they feel
stronger. And for some reason I feel more
relaxed too. Is there anymore training that
you can teach me? Thank you for your time.
Your Humble Student,
Ji-bin Zhong
*beginning a new lesson; the qi kung exercise is iron palm, which has been around for 1000 years; how am I "talking myself up?"*
Posted by: Student of Master Killer at June
30, 2005 05:40 PM
Ji...just continue with what I gave you. Keep
me posted with your results. Give it a month
or so and I'll add to your training. To speed
up your progress, massage your hands under hot
running water for 5 minutes before and after
training.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
*here I have posted an important training tip*
Posted by: Master Killer at July 1, 2005 09:22
PM
2. Dear Master Killer,
Thank you for the extra training information.
I will continue to follow your instructions.
Your Humble Student,
Zhong bin Ji
*ending the conversation*
3. Master Killer,
I would advise that you discontinue releasing
so much information to the general public. The
type of martial arts that you seem to give so
freely is only intended for those who posses
the highest of human qualities. Common people
cannot be trusted with such power.
-Tong Fong-
*a common attitude towards this type of training. It is still considered secret. I used this to spark interests, and begin a new lesson*
Posted by: Tong Fong at August 14, 2005 11:16 AM
Tong Fong, understand that only small
percentage will actually practice. And even
less will train with patience and reap the
benefits. The hand-full that become masters
are almost certain to be those who possess
these "high qualities." This knowledge was a
gift that I cherish and I want nothing more
than to help others experience what I have.
I also believe that this type of training
brings out the best in a person: hard times
creates perseverance, perseverance creates
wisdom.
Let me ask you a question... Why have you
chosen the name Tong Fong, the name of a great
Hung Gar Master?
*another lesson and philosophical outlook, with more interesting conversation*
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at August 14, 2005 02:23 PM
4. Yes, Tong Fong is the name of a famous Hung
Gar warrior. I am a master from a sect of the
Tong Fong clan. I believe what you are doing
is wrong. You do not know how these people
will treat iron kung skills. I know of many
stories about the misuse of iron palm. BEWARE!
*another lesson including Hung Gar history, the power of qi kung, and stories of iron palm masters which can be researched.*
-Tong Fong-
Posted by: Tong Fong at August 18, 2005 08:37 PM
There are your 4 "fabricated" stories that I used to "talk myself up."
With the first story, Ji bin Zhong forgets his own name and writes it backwards. The second story of Tong Fong is over-the-top dramatic. Clearly, they are fake. Throughout history, many people have written stories depicting others to prove a point. It's called fiction.
You have no case, and what proof you had is irrelevant to anything.
Go back to your "experts" on martialartsplanet, if you haven't been kicked out of there already.
The battles have been fought. The war is over. I win, you loose. You proved nothing. Put your tail between your legs and admit defeat.
I am done with this guy.
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at October 23, 2005 07:17 AMYou openly admit to it, and try to pass it off as OK to do so. The only person in your life that thinks your a winner is you. I do love how you are trying to talk down your false testimony though, well done chump.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 23, 2005 10:44 AMWoah! looks like I missed the party over here. Who's this moron-buster? Master Killer, Tim, dont waste your time with this guy lets just get back to talking to each other and completly ignore this guy, like he does not exist. Martialartsplanet.com?!?! lol that place is a joke and most of those guys dont know anything except MMA, the IMA board although is descent.
Master Killer, I have a large pickle jar ready to be used for iron claw. Do I fill it with sand then grab the rim with my claw hand and see how long I can hold for?
Thank you,
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at October 23, 2005 01:14 PMIf you want to learn about hand and grip strength read stuff from John Brookfield and check out ironmind.com. Why take word from a person like Master Killer who you dont even know. And just to do your head in some more, did you actually read everything Fung or skim? Go check out master killers own fake testimonials, pathetic lol.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 23, 2005 01:30 PMI did find your comment about MAP being a joke though very funny. Do you think this comments page on a movie review is for serious martial artists Fung? At least you jokers do give all the MAPers a laugh, this thread is actually linked over there by someone who found this as amusing as I do. Go take a look you faggots.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 23, 2005 01:33 PMTake a look you cocksuckers
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41034
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 23, 2005 01:35 PMMasterKiller you have failed God, when you die I will send you to Hell
--Topic Closed--
Fung, you can use the pickle jar halfway filled with sand for your iron tiger claw. Over time, add more and more sand. This is a derivative of throwing the iron palm bag, to name just one. Hold the jar straight out to the side of you with your left hand. With your elbow extended, bring it in front of you. Pass it to your right hand, bring it to your left side elbow extended, then back to your center. Pass it to your left and continue this process. Keep your elbow straight the whole time. For strictly training your grip, grab the sand. Start with 20 times a day on each hand. Best Wishes.
Moron buster and God, you two are still here?!?! No one wants to hear what you have to say. It seems that you two are on the same beat and cannot admit defeat and accept your losses. Maybe you two should go get a hotel room.
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at October 23, 2005 05:21 PMLOL what defeat. You asked me how I knew the emails and to prove it was you and I did. You got fucking owned and man did it upset you at the time. Foolish bitch, you should open a school for the mentally incompetent, you would get lots of students as you can see on this forum then you can flail about and pretend you are a great instructor as much as you like in the company of your drones. Oh wait, you can't coz you're full of shit. Too bad hey Master Killer. I'm sure you're McDojo would have been rockin too.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 23, 2005 08:19 PMI got a deal for you Master Killer. If you actually don't reply to me I won't post here again. Since you are a "higher power" and your training has made you "enlightened" it shouldn't be a problem for you. You supposedly are the bigger man according to all you say but since you are full of shit I don't expect you to actually do it. It will prove my point though.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 23, 2005 08:21 PMHi,
I've been training in Iron Palm for the last 20 years, and have trained and supervised many other peoples training. Iron Palm isn't something that should be taken lightly, nor should you continue your training supervised by some kook over the internet. Do not do anything that Master Killer has told you to do without close supervision of a master. Without someone to oversee your training, you can easily damage yourself, giving yourself serious arthritis, hairline fractures that you won't notice, and won't heal if you continue the training. Iron Palm is serious conditioning. Doing it without supervision is a surefire recipe to permanently damage your hands.
Posted by: BSbuster at October 24, 2005 09:45 AMA quote from Master Killer - "All comments that I've posed and will post are purely opinions that I believe are completely true. I feel that I am "enlightened" due to my experiences in martial arts and, according to the association of the "New York Combined Fist of Northern Shao Lin and Southern Sil Lum," with respect to the direct lineage of Monk Yim Sheung Mo and Monk Hung Hei Guan, I have demonstrated that I am fully qualified to give advice on all aspects of martial arts that I see fit."
I have a question for YOU Master Killer. I train in Northern Shao Lin in New York for the last 8 years, but I have never heard of the New York Combined Fist of Northern Shao Lin and Southern Sil Lum. When I search for it on the internet, the only site referenced is this one.
Why have I never heard of it? If you train in Hung Ga, who is your sifu? Who are some other recognized members of New York Combined Fist of Northern Shao Lin and Southern Sil Lum?
Posted by: BSbuster at October 24, 2005 09:49 AMWell everyone, it seems my time here has come. My goals have been accomplished. Moron buster, in all honesty, our debates have been fun. Please do not take anything I said to heart, and that goes for everyone. God, I enjoyed reading your posts. They were interesting.
I must say, the skeptics bring the most stimulating of conversations.
All that I've said on this forum is a fabrication of my own false intentions. All here written under the name "Master Killer" is not real (or any other name). My apologies if I have wasted any of your time, but we did put on a good show.
Best Wishes To All,
Artist formerly known as Master Killer
Ok and for all of you that have been practicing "iron palm" under this guy, you need to either discontinue your training, or find yourself a real iron palm master to supervise your training. Training in Iron Palm with a deficient master, or one who is not present to supervise your training !FIRST HAND! can and very well may result in serious injury.
Posted by: BSbuster at October 24, 2005 01:13 PMHopefully the fools on here that took him seriously will realise they were scammed and come share martial arts with real martial artists on a serious forum. MAP, ebudo, some other one. The point being, find a serious place to talk about it not some lame movie review forum.
I just hope none of you have hurt your hands already.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 24, 2005 07:52 PMQuote "My goals have been accomplished" Master Killer.
So your goals were to lie and fuck people around with potentially dangerous ideas? Good work fucktard. Go change your diaper because all your shit talking has filled it up. Glad you came clean though so everyone can see you for the fake cunt you are.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 24, 2005 10:07 PMAll I know is the results I have seen from my training.. If its Qi or just my body reacting to the conditioning whatever. It gives me an advantage over others. If this forum has done nothing else it has planted a seed of interest in me, whether the info be real or false I don't know. Rest assured though I wont defeat myself in my training (injuries to hands).
I have been a member of MAP and regular user for a few months now. I'm not at all surprised by their reaction heh.
Posted by: Guard at October 25, 2005 12:25 AMAll I know is the results I have seen from my training.. If its Qi or just my body reacting to the conditioning whatever. It gives me an advantage over others. If this forum has done nothing else it has planted a seed of interest in me, whether the info be real or false I don't know. Rest assured though I wont defeat myself in my training (injuries to hands).
I have been a member of MAP and regular user for a few months now. I'm not at all surprised by their reaction heh.
Posted by: Guard at October 25, 2005 12:26 AMHey moron-buster,
If I was scammed, then how come I can break a patio block with my fist?
See moron-buster, what you fail to realize is the truth behind his fabrications. Back in brooklyn, one of my friends, the reason I started doing martial arts, is an amazing practitioner of the eagle claw style. Let me put it to you this way, if bricks were butter, then his fists are a hot knife.
Anoter kid, around my age, that I met at a thai boxing club in Queens, can break bats on his shins because he kicked trees since he was little.
Technique is technique, but without the power in your body, you got nothing but a fancy dance. My thai boxing friend can jump as high as the third rope in the ring without bending his knees too much and can come crashing down with a ridiculous forearm that would probably ruin your day. Why? cause he's been wrapping a rope around it and hitting a tree since he was little.
Now, let me say this english, stop alt-tabbing between this and porn and just stick to your masturbation. After you're done with that, go back to your porch, sit on your rocking chair with your shotgun and spit in a can.
To those that think you can't do Iron Palm on your own. If you lack a brain, then dont do it. If you have a brain, then you can use it wisely to train. So that eventually when you meet such cowards who hide behind some alias like "moron-buster" you can explain to them the simplicity and wonders of putting your fist through their useless heads.
Later.
Posted by: Tim at October 25, 2005 12:36 AMLMAO just like some religious cult, your leader had abandoned you and you still flock to their word like it is gospel. Good luck to you Timmah!!!
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 25, 2005 12:44 AMYou will probably get a reply such as "Your friends are going to ALL have arthritis." Because we ALL know the only way to get arthritis is through Martial arts training (sarcasm)... *Sigh* People get Arthritis for a multitude of reasons, people who lead relatively normal lives can be diagnosed with it.
On another note I could care less if the Five Point Palm Exploding heart technique works or not (my opinion is that it does not in till I see the results, as I have with Iron Palm). I'm only here to discuss the benefits and techniques to conditioning.
Posted by: Guard at October 25, 2005 12:52 AMSure it'd be better to have someone there to supervise your trying, why not? but that dosn't mean you can't reap the benefits if someone isn't there..Its really not that complicated..
http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/ironpalm.htm
One of several sites that offer a way to condition your hands just like any other way. Nothing mystical about the body merely responding to physicaly demanding stimulation and rebuilding itself stronger over a period of time.
Posted by: Guard at October 25, 2005 02:04 AMSure it'd be better to have someone there to supervise your training, why not? but that dosn't mean you can't reap the benefits if someone isn't there..Its really not that complicated..
http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/ironpalm.htm
One of several sites that offer a way to condition your hands just like any other way. Nothing mystical about the body merely responding to physicaly demanding stimulation and rebuilding itself stronger over a period of time.
Posted by: Guard at October 25, 2005 02:05 AMI believe Master Killer will return. He has not abandoned us.
Posted by: Killer Priest at October 25, 2005 08:52 AMLook, I have nothing against conditioning. I practice iron palm plus shin and forearm conditioning. I have been conditioning for 20 years. You don't have to be conditioned to break a patio brick with your bear hands. It's really not all that hard. I'm sure you have all seen results from your conditioning. I will plead to the common sense in all of you. Conditioning is a dangerous undertaking, and if you don't do it either
A. under a proper and well-trained master or
B. with a good bit of previous knowledge
you can SERIOUSLY hurt yourself. Iron Palm conditioning is the most dangerous and delicate form of conditioning I know of. The bones and muscles of your hand form a complicated system, and without good qigong exercises, proper technique, patience, dilligence, and a good training setup, you can easily damage the complex system. The probability that you will end up with arthritis or an incurable hairline fracture, or damaged muscle, or scar tissue, or immovable joints, is very very high. This list of symptoms you can experience from improper iron palm conditioning is ridiculously long.
YOU NEED A QUALIFIED MENTOR IF YOU ARE GOING TO PRACTICE THIS STUFF!!
Ask master killer who his sifu was when he comes back. Ask him what school he trains at in New York, then do a google on both and call his sifu and see if the guy actually knows what he says he knows. Look up "New York Combined Fist of Northern Shao Lin and Southern Sil Lum," you won't find it
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!
If he had qualifications, I wouldn't be posting this. He is either a beginning student, or he knows a bunch about chinese martial arts, or has posted a bunch of cobbled-together info from the web.
Regardless, he is not qualified to be your iron palm mentor on a frickin MOVIE REVIEW WEBSITE!! Ask any iron palm master if they would mentor people long distance on a movie review website, and they will say no. Why? Because they can't be directly involved with the training. This guy will get you all hurt.
How can you still fall for this guy? His "victories" are blatant losses. He has admited making up stories, then pretending that thats a good thing. Why do you trust this weird guy on the internet, who has a whole network or fantasy students? If you wan't to learn real conditioning, find yourself a school or you will most likely end up with permentant damage. Aren't you embarrasd to be learning to fight, over the interenet, from such prick that lies openly???? If you really wan't to test how far youve progressed go to your nearest boxing/muay thai/BJJ/MMA/primary school??? and I promise you, youl get murked.
Posted by: Masterkiller is fake at October 25, 2005 04:33 PMLoL, actually I probably would get murked. I just started boxing classes and those guys are ridiculous. However even THEY complain of hurting their hands on the heavy bags without handwraps + atleast 14 oz gloves and I don't need these things to go an intense three rounds on the bag. If not more when I build the endurance
I think as long as people use their common sense (Which sometimes isn't so common) They will be okay with conditoning. People get injured in bodybuilding, martial arts, any type of sport.. it happens. I've actually had more problems from my weightlifting routine than I've had with Iron Palm.
Posted by: Guard at October 25, 2005 04:40 PMThat's because the problems with iron palm conditioning manifest later on in life after doing it imroperly. If you do it wrong, you aren't gonna feel it this week (like you will if you fudge weight training), you won't be able to use your hands when you are older. Common sense isn't enough! You need proper technique, proper medicine, and a good qigong teacher to help with the constant healing process. In order to properly do iron palm conditioning without hurting yourself, you NEED a mentor or a teacher to take you through the conditioning.
The fact that boxers hurt their hands through gloves and handwraps should tell you not to play around with iron palm conditioning.
Posted by: BSbuster at October 25, 2005 05:20 PMHOLY CRAP! I read this forum, and w/out even training at all i went outside and punched a tree and it fell completely over! WOW! Thanks MasterKiller, you totally rock dude. Even though you admitted you are a complete hack that deserves a good bitch slapping from a real MA'ist, I still believe in you!
I cant believe that :
A . All this happened on a movie review forum
B . You people actually listened to this chump
C . I wasted my time by reading this, although it was pretty fucking funny
D . You idiots continue to worship this (if i may borrow the term) fucktard! Ooohh he's coming back, just like JESUS!!! Infact, i wouldnt be surprised is he IS JESUS!!! (please note the EXTREME SARCASM!!!)
God, you need to smite these idiots. Really, how can you destroy nice/smart peoples lives via hurricane or whatever, and still let ppl like this live happy lives??
Moron-buster, congrats on driving that fucker out of here.
Th-Th-Thats all folks! You can go back to your everyday lives and stop pretending that you can take on a horde of ninjas w/ a move you learned in Kill Bill.
Posted by: Holy Crap at October 25, 2005 05:53 PM"LoL, actually I probably would get murked. I just started boxing classes and those guys are ridiculous. However even THEY complain of hurting their hands on the heavy bags without handwraps + atleast 14 oz gloves and I don't need these things to go an intense three rounds on the bag. If not more when I build the endurance"
lol. Thats because theyve trained to be able to hit the bag REALLY HARD. I bet if you could punch the bag as hard as these guy your hands would hurt too. My old kickboxing teacher (became an ametuer boxer) did hand conditioning when he was younger, with a teacher, and he really messed up his hands. He didnt realise how badly they were ddamaged untill it was too late. I'm not saying you shouldnt do, Iron Palm or Qigong, I think you should find a reputable sifu first. Masterkiller is just some loser that has done a bit of Iron Palm, then spent days and days reading some dodgy information from the interent (qi - adrenaline ??????), and now thinks hes qualified to teach people this over the interent.
"Tong Fong, understand that only small
percentage will actually practice. And even
less will train with patience and reap the
benefits. The hand-full that become masters
are almost certain to be those who possess
these "high qualities." This knowledge was a
gift that I cherish and I want nothing more
than to help others experience what I have.
I also believe that this type of training
brings out the best in a person: hard times
creates perseverance, perseverance creates
wisdom.
Let me ask you a question... Why have you
chosen the name Tong Fong, the name of a great
Hung Gar Master?"
This guy is having a conversation with himself!!!! He's clearly a geek who got a bit carried away watching Jackie Chan.
Go to www.martialartsplanet.com and im sure the people their would be happy to give you advice on what is safe and where their are good kwoons in your area. Because masterkiller is just a cock.
So we should burn the COUNTLESS books and articles that refer to and teach iron skills since there is no master standing over your shoulder pointing out every single minuet flaw that will eventually sort out over time from experience.
Great masters with great ideas became crippled on their journey to better themselves as warriors, we just never hear about them.
Who knew what to expect, just dive in head first.
These skills have been known since the beginning of time and no experimentation has brought us to this era of martial science.
The knowledge is just there and always has been, but you cannot find it anywhere else even though when I type iron palm into my search engine I find an infinite source of information.
No wonder the government hasn't stepped in and confiscated all of the worthless and potentially dangerous material due to the large increase in reports of cripples who cannot even hold a pencil because of the random iron palm training information.
EXPERIENCE IS THE GREATEST TEACHER. It hasn't taken 1500 years of military evolution to bring us to the art that sits in front of us today. WE'VE ALWAYS KNOWN.
~Killer Priest~
...the earth used to be flat and was the center of the universe...
Posted by: Killer Priest at October 25, 2005 11:12 PMEXPERIENCE IS THE GREATEST TEACHER. It hasn't taken 1500 years of military evolution to bring us to the art that sits in front of us today. WE'VE ALWAYS KNOWN.
~Killer Priest~
I'd rather not re-invent the wheel and experience crippled hands thanks. I'll just take the professionals word on it and if I ever do decide to train Iron Palm some unknown fucktard on the net won't be the guy I ask about it.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 25, 2005 11:35 PMI'm SURE these boxers can hit the bag far harder than I can.. thats a given. However the friends I started with don't neccisarily and they still hurt their hands, and have to miss training or take it easy. I don't, this I see as an advantange. I'm not defending Master Killer and frankly I would discuss martial arts theory on a porno forum if knowledge was to be gained.
As I said I'm already a productive member of MAP, and recommend it to all.
Posted by: Guard at October 26, 2005 12:12 AMI got a few laughs out of this whole ordeal but if MasterKiller and lackeys keeps defending this lie the perpetrators will be sent to hell.
~Topic Closed~
Translation: Conversation over stfu go build some legos go masturbate to internet porn if you people keep fucking around I will send you all to hell shit I have done it before read ecleisastes 6:5 I told Joseph about that shit. Take my word for it.
"It's so simple. It is like a finger pointing at the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory."
The moon is qi kung and the heavenly glory is the results, but all of you are worried about the finger: which one is it? on which hand? is it straight or slightly bent? how long is the nail? WHO'S FINGER IS IT?
There are COUNTLESS non-crippled fingers pointing.
It's so simple. Begin light. When the body adapts, add more. When the body adapts, add more. When the body adapts, add more...til your final days.
Killer Priest
Posted by: Killer Priest at October 26, 2005 05:42 AMUnless you bust that finger up so bad it hurts too much to point it.....
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 26, 2005 08:26 AMMy martial arts history is as follows (beginning at 4 years old):
1. Sensei Daniel Harrow-Shotokan
2. Kyoshi Frank Hargrove-Shorynryu/Shorynkan
3. Hayashi Family-TaeKwonDo
4. Grand Master Ric Pascetta-American
GoJu/Kickboxing
5. Sifu Bill Dutile-Jeet Kune Do/Isometrics
6. Sifu Rommie Revel-Northern Shaolin/Southern Sil Lum/Hung Gar/Choy Lay Fut/Fu Jow Pai/Iron Palm/Internal and External Iron Body/18 Shaolin and Sil Lum Weapons
7. Sifu Carl Albright-Iron Palm
You can research all of my teachers except Master Daniel Harrow. He was a judge at the famous fight between Billy Blanks and Mike Stagerwald. He also befriended Chung Li, the real "killer" from Bloodsport (not Bolo Young). I will be more than happy to tell you about any of these great warriors. Four of these men have been inducted into the "Blackbelt Hall of Fame."
I like Master Killer. I've reviewed his posts and I cannot find anything wrong with what he has done. His intentions are genuine. The knowledge is there, but can he deliver? Does he practice what he preaches? I would think so, but I guess we will never find out.
Your forum is decent, but one of my sifus runs a forum. It is at www.kungfumagazine.com
This is where you need to go.
Killer Priest
Posted by: Killer Priest at October 26, 2005 09:50 PM
Nobody cares anymore. We've taken down this rubbish thread, i'm off to MAP now. Job is done here, only the sad reminants who can't let go still stay. Later.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 26, 2005 11:52 PMThat is a great site, I took a second to type Iron Palm into the search function and got alot of articles on Chi and such. I read a few they we're all interesting. Later moron-buster..
PS thats one hell of a martial arts history Killer Priest lol. Started when you were 4 years old? I didn't have any "formal" training intill 17.
Posted by: Guard at October 27, 2005 01:02 AMThat is a shame...and I just got here too.
Like I said before, there are an infinite supply of self-teaching manuals, and here is another one. Of course, this one was more amusing than many, but still contains key information. Not about the 5 point exploding...about common qi kung exercises.
"the five point exploding heart technique is possible in theory, but the technique does not acctually exist. In Taoist philosophy, every pressure point on the body directly correlates with one of the 12 meridian, which are your organs. Over stimulation by a dim mak/qi kung master will cause the adrenal gland to overproduce the ether causing a poisoning effect on organ. In this case, bai mei uses the points located on the heart meridian. It is possible cause a heart attack, probably sounds better as heart explosion. 2 steps, 4 steps, 500 steps. This all has to do with how well the master can control the qi (adrenaline). " Posted by: masterkiller at March 21, 2005 07:00 PM
[actually, this is a very good point. Qi has not been distinctly defined and the adrenaline theory is a popular belief. I even believe Sifu Wing Lam takes an interest to this idea.]
"To strike the blood vessels would take extreme amount of power only developed through resistance training of which the Chinese were not known for. What you are suggesting is that a man from China developed a technique that attacks the vessels not once but five times in a fight which will last no more than 3 seconds. This is not practical especially for a Taoist like Bei Mei. Two reasons: one is that a taoist never resists, only goes with the flow. Therefore, a taoist knows no resistance training: two is that a taoist relys on simplicity and practicality. 5 attacks plus one for the heart is not practical in such a fight, life or death. I'm not saying that the technique won't work. What I'm saying is that your approach is not practical. Rather, produce extreme amounts of ether from the adrenal gland to enhance the technique. Here's a secret that I don't mind sharing with you. All advanced techniques in Chinese martial arts relys on adrenaline. Meditation, qi kung, dim mak... Using mind control to allow more adrenaline to flow through the body. Studies show that on average people use only a quarter teaspoon of adrenaline in a lifetime. This ether is very strong. Think back to the stories you probably heard: a man is working under a car and the car falls on him. In a panic, the wife is able to lift the 2 ton car off of her husband. This is called uncontrolled internal qi kung (nei dan). Accupressure and puncture stimulate pressure points releasing the ether along with endorphines to protect the area and boost the immune system. This is external qi kung, also the basis to develop a technique similar to your 5 point exploding heart technique. Attack the points, overstimulate the gland, poison the organ." Posted by: masterkiller at March 22, 2005 08:43 PM
[sounds probable]
"In reality, the Dit Da Jow (Hit and Fall Liniment) is like a bengay or tiger balm. It aids in faster recovery time. Depending on the type of Jow you use, the faster the recovery. If you do go to china town, the herbs are not particularly useful for iron palm since it is missing some key ingredients like Tiger Bone which contains a rare hormone allowing a tiger to have extremely dense bones and strong muscles. Tiger Bone is illegal in the US so you have to have it imported. Typically speaking, most Jow have very little effects without the Tiger Bone. Dit Dar or Tit Dar is bone setting. Many styles of kung fu still teach this, including Hung Gar. I keep my Tiger Bone dit da jow on hand for emergencies, but I never really used it for my iron body training. To be honest, the iron body, iron palm...qi kung training works as a healer, stimulating the adrenal gland and releasing endorphins, the body heals the area without any elixir. If you are interested in dit dar or some kung fu dit da jow recipes, you may want to look up Dr. Yang, Jwing Ming. He is a licensed physician and master of dit dar, acupressure, acupuncture.... Also, make sure you know what you are getting in china town. They like to mess with Americans. You may get what you didnt ask for.
"Remember: dont get caught up in details and whats right and whats wrong and who said what. The only secret in kung fu is just practice with patience. Practice hard and practice well. Only then you can succeed in kung fu. The answers will reveal themselves through training. These masters who invented the techniques were taoists and buddhist. Their philosophy is that we come from the Ultimate Truth. Therefore, the Ultimate Truth is in us, a part of who we are. We just have to search within us to find the answers. Simplicity is the key. Hit the Iron Palm Bag as I described earlier and youre as good as whot choi (gold). Of course, "I cannot force you to do this. Only set an example and hope you become enlightened" as Tamo Bodhidharma and Gautma Sidhartha said. All I can tell you is that through my training as I described, I was soon able to slap through bricks, punch through cinderblocks (seperate training), jab my fingertips through slabs of concrete (seperate training), and stimulate other peoples points just by touching them. Of course, with Iron Body, there is about 15 other qi kung exercises which include both internal and external training. Best wishes. Master Killer."
Posted by: masterkiller at March 26, 2005 09:25 PM
[nothing wrong with this thread or the two previous ones that I didnt comment on]
"To find out what those ingredients are for, you may have to consult a taoist alchemist or trace the lineage of the physician who invented the dit da jow that you are using. Research shows that many ingrediants have no benefits and are only used because of tradition and folk lore.
Make sure that you train everyday. There is alot of say about training when the weather is bad and so on... Do not worry about this. It is very minor details. ie, Mung beans, which is common for beginners, is a fairly new idea. Traditionally, iron and lead shots were used from the start. In the early stages of training, do not worry about your breathing. This will overcomplicate things. Just breathe normal.
There are many theories about what tamo did, but what is known for sure is that he was a master of an Indian fighting style called the 18 Lohan techniques. Originally, they were used as a form of exercise for the "lazy monks." Evolution took its course. He also introduced Ch'an Buddhism aka Zen Buddhism. It was from the School of Gradual Enlightenment. Very simple philosophy, "just meditate."
The iron bell or golden bell is more of an internal qi kung rather than the external iron body. The bodys qi acts as a sheild through mind control rather than outside influence as it is with iron body. Qi kung started during the taoist revolution many years after tamo got things rolling.
As far as immortality, buddhist dont believe in the same sense of living forever. The philosophy is very in detail so there is no way that I can get into that. Go to a search engine and type in Buddha, or Buddhist. Religion Taoism believe in immortality, but that is also very detailed.
Japanese and Korean are the "hard styles" of martial arts not because of the common belief that they only train external techniques but because they believe in training external first, internal later. Internal is considered very advanced training to the "hard stylists." Since the chinese are more deeply routed in taoism, both are trained together. Keep the balance. Even Tai Qi Chuan has "hard" training and "hard" techniques. Even the most simple qi kung training "3 circle" contains external conditioning. I hope this may clearify things. Best Wishes. Master Killer"
Posted by: masterkiller at March 27, 2005 12:04 PM
[I see no flaws, of course there is more to add]
"Though your Cellur Heptoses Theory may be true, it is not practical. To attack 6 points with pin-point accuracy with enough power against a nonrational aggressor in a matter of a few seconds in a life or death combat situation (because of course that would be the only reason someone would use the technique, to kill someone to save oneself) is not realistic enough for the philosophers, scholars, and physicians of "Taoist and Buddhist Schools of Thought" to further develop into a technique reliable enough for a "life or death" situation.
Remember, the emergence of martial arts was born through war. Kill or be killed. To be merciful to your enemy is to be cruel to yourself. When in war, the fastest kill is the most efficient. You don’t have time for a 3 minute boxing round.
Realistically, the fastest kill is the best. But using your Cellur Heptoses Theory is not realistic in combat. Therefore, we must continue to use Taoist philosophies of qi and accupoints. Please review my previous posts.
What I mean by resistance training is weight (resistance) training to develop power. Weight training is not practical. It slows you down and binds you up. The power training you suggest is actually an external qi kung exercise developed by Taoist and later adopted by numerous stylists. Bruce Lee was famous for his "one inch punch." Wing Tsun incorporates this qi kung in everyday routine.
Simplicity is the Key!
Master Killer"
Posted by: masterkiller at April 6, 2005 08:17 PM
[nice thread]
"Xplicit, that is a good question. Qi kung can be used for anything you want, but you may need to make slight adjustments to suit your intentions. For example, I would definately recommend "iron shin", "1000lb kick", "1000lb horse stance", and "no shadow kick" for anyone who wants to play soccer. These external qi kung would make your soccer skills unmatchable. Of course, I can probably find other qi kung to enhance soccer skills but off the top of my head these would seem to be the most beneficial. As I am sitting here, volleyball just came to mind. Without a doubt I would recommend "Iron Palm" and "1000lb horse stance." What sport did you have in mind?I would be more than happy to consult and assist you in your training!
Best Wishes,
Master Killer"
Posted by: master killer at June 25, 2005 07:53 PM
[how true]
"As I have mentioned before, the 5 point exploding heart technique is possible in theory, but not practical. Rather, use the 1 point exploding heart technique, except the heart doesn't explode, it is poisoned by the body's own reaction to the technique, primarily by adrenaline overdose. Da chih guan means "striking the organs." To strike the organs you must attack the accupoints that coorespond to the organs. There are over 700 pressure points in the body with 10's of points directly coorelated to the heart.
This Taoist philosophy is very easy to understand and learn about. Now, all you have to do is get yourself an accupoint map and buy a book that explains what points on the body will affect what organs. Add this with the "iron fist" qi kung that I had described in a previous comment and you have the answer to your question.
The only problem with this is that even though I told everyone how to do it, only a few will try it and even less will have enough motivation to continue training and master the technique. "
Posted by: Master Killer at June 28, 2005 09:04 PM
[ok]
"Qi is an amazing substance. Don't worry, calluses do not inhibit the flow of qi. Calluses will happen no matter what you do, its just the bodys natural process (and I stress natural since all Taoism including iron palm and qi kung is based on nature's process). Eventually, your hands will be soft and gentle. As the body adapts, qi heals all. Striking the accupoints over and over will cause bruises and blisters and calluses. But as qi is continued to flow through the area, it completely heals. And since more qi is flowing through your hand, your channels will become stronger and able to "conduct" more qi. An iron palm master's hands look no different than a "normal" person's hands.
And as you continue to train, your hands become more sensitive to qi and you will be able to feel other peoples qi when you touch them. This is where the healing power of qi comes into play. Controling anothers qi to heal them is the highest level of training. Being able to kill comes way before being able to heal.
I suggest you upgrade to steel shot and practice in horse stance (ma bo).
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
The most stimulating conversations are with those who doubt the Martial Way. And even more so, when the skeptics begin to believe. "
Posted by: Master Killer at July 31, 2005 01:21 PM
[right]
I've read it all...so what seems to be the problem. You all claim that these people are fake, but why does that matter. This is a training manual with dialogue. Think of it as a Q&A on qi kung. Many scholars believe that Lao Tzu never existed...Chuang Tzu fabricated him and was the real father of Taoism.
"Job is done here, only the sad reminants who can't let go still stay. Later.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 26, 2005 11:52 PM"
What "job" were you all getting payed to do? This forum is not about exposing Master Killer. What I see is a group of martial artists debating...no, let's say gang of people bashing the concept of learning iron palm through any source other than a face-to-face licensed practitioner...but instead of stating this you choose their "God" to blame. You search for the smallest of flaws with Master Killer, and verbally attack his "character" to try to prove point, which has NOTHING to do with Master Killer.
So you don't believe that you can learn martial arts any other way than face-to-face? How does this involve Master Killer? You did a great job at "exposing" him, but you have not addressed the issue correctly: "Learning Martial Arts hands-on vs. Learning Martial Arts through outside sources."
Of course, hands-on is the most efficient way, but you are wrong. You can go to any forum and find small lessons going on --> www.kungfumagazine.com .
What about people making money teaching on-line? How about the millions of dollars spent on self-teaching books?
Scapegoating...you make it seem that Master Killer is the enemy and attack him to prove your point...as far as I am concerned, you have proven nothing.
THIS TOPIC IS NOT CLOSED
~Killer Priest~
Posted by: Killer Priest at October 27, 2005 07:07 AM
Why are you bothering Killer Priest. He already said he was leaving and you keep trying to rope him back into further arguments. Just let Moron-Buster and the others go. I don't want them back here for more of this bullshit.
Posted by: Tim at October 27, 2005 10:08 AMI am leaving too. You are all whining too much even after it has all finished. Too many babies here
Posted by: Guard at October 27, 2005 11:08 AMHeh bad job at impersonating me.. whining? babies? c'mon now. and regardless you know I use a lot of ellipses "..." lol. Also try double posting as I seem to do that a lot by accident... Imitate my name, do as you wish but I'll still gain knowledge that's really all I'm here for.
Posted by: Guard at October 27, 2005 11:32 PMY'know I was about say... if you turn from your ways I can save you.
Who am I kidding. You're all beyond saving.
We've got martial artists who think they're superman on the one side.
We've got crazy fanatics with large egos who can't stop bothering the role-players.
You're both pathetic. In fact, you should all consider getting hammered or something. In other words, vagina out there, go get it. It's ok, I promise I won't tell the big guy.
This is Master Killer's forum. Now that all of the ignorance has dispersed, he should come back. I believe he never left..probably was observing from the shadows.
Until Master Killer's return, I volunteer my services to anyone who needs guidance.
I do not claim that my training and knowledge is superior to his. It may very well be. I do claim that I am fully capable and have the resources to continue what Master Killer started.
~Killer Priest~
To know is wisdom,
to understand is divine.
Killer Priest, I don't really know if you can answer this but, whatever you can offer I'll gladly take.
I'm conditioning my Shins, Forearms, neck, and ribs with an Iron Tao slapping bag I got with my Iron Palm bag... I was wondering how long I massage before and after conditioning. Is it simular to the Iron Palm training? and if I should message under water as It'd be kind of akward to place my legs in the tub or my entire forearm. Any other advice you could offer on the subject would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Posted by: Guard at October 30, 2005 01:20 AMSure thing cock-smoker. You probably are Master Killer, we all know how he likes to pretend to be other people.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 30, 2005 01:34 AMAh my son Jesus nice to see that your still coming back to life and shit. It's ok for them to get vagina only if it is the vagina they are married to in holy matrimony. Honestly I may have to bend the rules because these people are in desperate need of pussy I hereby declare it is ok for the duration of next week to get vagina without being married just for the fags on this forum. I expect a thank you and an amen from all you bitches now have at it.
~ God
Posted by: God at October 30, 2005 12:29 PMHere you go Guard: At least 10 seconds of hard, fast, back-and-forth rubbing with the palm of your hand to warm up the area, then some circular massaging for a few minutes before and after training...the longer the better....
Slap the area as well...Also, if you have the time, do what extreme iron body practitioners do...submerge your whole body in a tub of warm/hot dit da jow...2 parts water, 1 part jow...at least 30 minutes and meditate while you soak...Unless you make jow your own way, it will be too expensive to buy for this...It is effective if you soak in warm/hot water only, but with jow is better...Either way, before and after training would be ideal...To save you some time rub, massage, and slap while you are soaking.
If you want, I can send you some recipes...only problem is I don't have a photocopier...Give me some time and I can get it on my computer.
Moron Buster:
"Nobody cares anymore. WE'VE TAKEN DOWN THIS RUBBISH THREAD...Job is done here, ONLY THE SAD REMINANTS[spell check] WHO CAN'T LET GO STILL STAY. Later.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at October 26, 2005 11:52 PM"
*I guess you are one of us now Moron-Buster. Welcome to the Sad Remnants Club! Respond to confirm your membership.
God:
"I got a few laughs out of this whole ordeal but if MasterKiller and lackeys keeps defending this lie the perpetrators WILL BE SENT TO HELL.
~TOPIC CLOSED~
Translation: CONVERSATION OVER...I WILL SEND YOU ALL TO HELL shit I have done it before read ecleisastes[spell check] 6:5...Take my word for it.
Posted by: God at October 26, 2005 04:41 AM"
*Hey, what are you and Jesus doing here in hell? I'm not sure why I'm here in hell, I'm not even a Christian.* I'm honored to have God, Moron-Buster and Jesus join the Sad Remnants Club here in hell.
~Killer Priest~
Posted by: Killer Priest at October 30, 2005 08:06 PM
Thanks alot, actually I think my mom would be pissed if I filled the tub with Dit da jow. Maybe when I move out in a few months lol. That was alot of help as I was kind of in the dark about how to massage I just generally rubbed the area and went to work on my shins and forearms. My shins which used to be very sensitive have hardened up considerably. I mean still some pain but definitely progress.. Which Is what I'm doing this for. My forearms are "Cinder Blocks" As my main sparring partner likes to call them, but hey I'm helping to condition his forearms with mine. Now I will focus more on massaging, I enjoy the actual conditioning alot more but I realise now that massaging is a very neccisary part of my training Thanks again..
Posted by: Guard at October 30, 2005 10:38 PMKiller Priest or should I say MASTERKILLER you need some JESUS and yes I said JESUS because without him there would be no such thing as forgiveness especially with the laughable gesture "Here you go Guard: At least 10 seconds of hard, fast, back-and-forth rubbing with the palm of your hand to warm up the area, then some circular massaging for a few minutes before and after training...the longer the better...."
Did you read Genesis Onan story (38:9-10), masturbation is against holy doctrine i'm trying to be nice but you are forcing the vengence out of me, nobody wants a VENGEFUL GOD!!! SO GO TO CHURCH AND PRAY FOR SOME FUCKING FORGIVENESS YOUR FUCKING WEEK OF FREEDOM IS OVER BITCHES IF YOU FUCK UP ANYMORE NO MORE BEING MR. NICE GOD I WILL SEND EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU BITCHES TO HELL I WILL MAKE SURE I SEND YOU SOME GATORADE TO MAKE SURE YOU BITCH ASS ABORTED FETUSES STAY HYDRATED CUZ ITS GOING TO BE A HELL OF A WORKOUT
~God
Posted by: God at October 31, 2005 01:39 AM
You said you are trying to be nice but that's alright, you don't have to, vengeance away. I thought we were already in hell. I only drink orange Gatorade, can you get me some of that? Anybody else want anything?
Ok, its time to vote for positions in the Sad Remnants Club:
President-Master Killer
Vice President-Killer Priest
God, did you want to be Treasurer or Secretary? Get back to me on this please.
~Killer Priest~
Hey God, do you think you can get me a sandwich too?
He should be able to materialize ATLEAST a balogna sandwich.
Posted by: Guard at October 31, 2005 08:22 AMA scar is only around 70% as strong as its surrounding skin, a broken bone never is quite as strong again. The Palm, shin, ribs, forearms, and so on is conditioned in a way everyday that I would think would not allow it to heal. Questions... Why are there not rest days in the training/conditioning as others have called it, just like there are rest days in any other training? If your forearm or shin becomes bruised you massage and just continue to smack it and not allow it to heal? The body does not always heal on a day to day basis, I come not to judge you or straight diss you like others have.... hah, I just have had these questions in mind for quite some time.
Posted by: Setsuna at October 31, 2005 08:34 AMGod,
I must interject. Seeing as how I was somewhat human at some point, I must give my opinion on this masturbation activity.
I don't believe that the real God would put such a burning fire inside of us and then punish us for acting on it. Of course, it is not a necessary activity, but it is better that the fire be extinguished in this way than it be acted upon in promiscuity.
Your Lord and Saviour,
JC
P.S. Judas still owes me $12. So, if you could just get on top of that.
Posted by: Jesus Christ at October 31, 2005 02:21 PMI am your only savior you pseudo european assholes can call me God there was no JESUS crucify that
Posted by: Allah at October 31, 2005 02:54 PMSetsuna:
Beginners should only train four to five days a week. The body DOES need time to heal, but as with any exercise, the body eventually realizes what is being worked...in this case qi. Training qi is different than training muscles... qi/adrenaline/electromagnetic energy heals differently...healing and replenishing qi itself are the exercises. But it is not a perfect super-substance. This is why dit da jow was created, to limit external healing and speed up the process so you can train qi externally everyday. Check out these sites and type "dit da jow" in a search engine:
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/archive/index.php/f-13-p-2.html
http://www.ironpalm.com/thesisonjow2.pdf
~Killer Priest~
I do not know how this became a religious forum but I am a Ch'an Buddhist and a Taoist. I am also a student of St. Thomas Aquinas' "Summa Theologica." Hinduism has a beautiful concept..."we are all droplets of water who will eventually return to the ocean..."
All religions are a piece of the puzzle. None is perfectly right. Use one to answer the question of another. Eventually, the puzzle becomes a clear picture...and you are faced with the solution to greatest question.
It's completely complicated and simplicity of itself.
Posted by: Killer Priest at October 31, 2005 09:25 PM
Lies. I posted that in response to masterkiller stateing..
"You do not need to take any days off from training, unless of course you have some kind of huge cut, infection, etc"
He gave that information to someone and even though I agree with most of what MasterKiller said and respect his opinions, you two are contridicting each other with your teachings. So which one is it? 4 - 5 times a week or no rest unless you break the skin or get an infection?
Posted by: Setsuna at November 1, 2005 12:05 PMAlso how long are you considered a "Beginner"? When do you begin to train everday?
You answers are appreciated.
Posted by: Setsuna at November 1, 2005 12:07 PMI'm not sure who you are calling a liar, but I will answer your question, since you said it will be appreciated. If you look at the list of my teachers that I posted, four of my teachers are considered the best in world. One of the them said train everyday, and another one said 3 days a week is enough. I've done both...I would go for months training everyday, then some things would happen interrupting my schedule, as life does, and I would only be able to train 3 days a week for a period of a few months. Both have produced the results and I teach what worked for me (this is over a span of years).
With external qi kung, I consider a student a beginner for the first three months (approximate). Basically, when you stop "seeing" results you can up your training. You will still be progressing with your qi kung and internally you will be a beginner for a good while, but externally you will have developed past "beginner."
There are many myths about iron palm. One of which is "iron palm in 100 days." A great master of mine taught this. I don't care what anybody says, done right it does work.
~Killer Priest~
Posted by: Killer Priest at November 1, 2005 08:10 PMI see, so there are several different ways. Thank you for clearing this up for me; Because I didn't see the logic in what you and MasterKiller we're saying I dismissed it as lies, however now I realize I was wrong.
Apologies...
Posted by: Setsuna at November 2, 2005 08:20 AMKiller Priest AKA Mastkiller stfu your going to hell you non-believer
Wtf are you a priest of preaching MasterKillers unholy word? Blasphemous son of a bitch
Just for that I'm sending your whole family to hell
~God
Posted by: God at November 2, 2005 01:54 PMIs the time that you are considered a beginner the same for when you condition the shins, forearms and other parts of the body like me?
Also could you post a few more myths about Iron Palm? Just incase we are under the influence of them.. I've heard about the 100 day Iron Palm thing on the internet and thought it could be legit lol guess not.
Posted by: Guard at November 2, 2005 06:20 PMIt's ok Setsuna.
God, so did you decide if you want to be the treasurer or the secretary of the Sad Remnants Club here in hell? If you decide to be the treasurer, do not give jesus that $12 judas owes him.
I am a buddhist, so wherever I am, even in hell, I am nowhere. I never said I am a non-believer. I believe in all, because all is one..."a droplet of water returning to the ocean." Return to the Self to find the answer...meditate to realize the Self.
Guard, follow the path of iron palm for all external qi kung.
The "iron palm in 100 days does exist."
It is said that you cannot be "poisoned" by your dit da jow. Completely false because I contracted a blood infection from getting jow in an open wound.
Blindness from over stimulation of qi points is false.
~Killer Priest~
Posted by: Killer Priest at November 2, 2005 09:07 PMI have a funny to story to share with you all. I've been practicing Iron Palm deligently now on my mung bean bag and have seen excellent results. The other day I was irritated and having a very bad day, I accidently lost my temper (after reading masterkiller's bullshit) and punched a door in my bathroom, something I used to do all the time before I started pretending Iron Palm training. Well thanks to the imitation Iron Palm training I punched a imaginary 5 inch hole in the wall. The door needs to be replaced LOL. That was before I had taken my medicine. When I woke up I was in a stray jacket. I guess my training is working. I realized I need to be way more responsible now. Great power great responsiblity right? I shouldn't tell everyone about the magical powers of drinking warm/hot dit da jow...2 parts water, 1 part jow... or they may send me back to the padded room.
PS thats one hell of a made up martial arts history Killer Priest lol. Are you 4 years old? I didn't have any "formal" training intill I stopped peeing the bed, hold on I still the pee the bed.
Thanks for the reply, I have heard several times that Dit Da Jow can be poisonous but maybe that would help someone else out. Iron Palm and Body going well.. Nice twist on a story I posted awhile ago. Obviously a fake.
Posted by: Guard at November 3, 2005 08:22 AMI'm sorry, but this place is a joke. I can see why Master Killer left...the aggravation is annoying...the skeptics need to get a clue...my martial arts history is a fake? If you KNOW martial arts then you know who my teachers were...and you would know that all of them taught in the south jersey/philly area, aside from Frank Hargrove (Virginia) and Carl Albright (New York).
This place is a waste of my time. If any of you have a serious question or would like to engage in a stimulating conversation, post it and I will eventually reply. Guard, continue your training as you were...I will monitor your posts. We'll keep in touch, maybe through email.
"I shouldn't tell everyone about the magical powers of drinking warm/hot dit da jow...2 parts water, 1 part jow..."
this post is by a fake Guard and says to drink jow...DO NOT DRINK DIT DA JOW, YOU WILL GET VIOLENTLY SICK...PLEASE!!!!
The email address from this guy is KillerPriest@isgoingtohell...probably written by one of these fake christian preachers...Jesus...God...Allah...it seems they are all the same person. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS PERSON...ESPECIALLY SINCE HE MADE THE SUGGESTION TO DRINK DIT DA JOW AND IT IS POISONOUS.
~Killer Priest~
Posted by: Killer Priest at November 3, 2005 10:59 AMYea, I'll just have to deal with this garbage to learn what I need. Im sure noone would be foolish enough to actually drink dit da jow, but I guess you can never be to cautious with these kind of things.
Posted by: Guard at November 3, 2005 01:54 PMIt's ok to laugh Setsuna.
God, so did you decide if you want to kill everyone in the Sad Remnants Club here in hell? If you decide to kill us, judas will have to pay the $12 to jesus before you do.
I am a bitch, so wherever I am, even in hell, I am nothing but a slut. I never said I am a non-believer. I believe in all, because I am gullible..."a droplet of piss returning to the toilet." Return to ignorance to find the answer...meditate to realize ignorance.
Guard, follow the path of hairy palms for all external qi kung.
The "hairy palms in 100 days does exist."
It is said that you cannot be "poisoned" by the penis. Completely false because I contracted a sexually transmitted disease from getting penis in my vagina.
Blindness from over stimulation of qi points (i.e. Masturbation) is false.
~Killer Priest~
If you are going to pretend to be me, at least make it funny...this is just dumb.
~Killer Priest~
Posted by: Killer Priest at November 3, 2005 07:20 PMKiller Priest you are dumb and I think God is going to send you to hell.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
This is a very interesting thread you've got running here.
Dear Master Killer, Some of the information you're posting is extrememly valuable and dangerous. In reference to the Di Da Jiao comment, some contain poisons, others do not. No two formulas are the same. And even the same two recipies will get prepared differently and have varying proportions.
The only real error I'm worried about is the suggestion by M. Killer to raise the hand about the head in practice of the "Iron Fist". From what I've learned this can tend to cause too much blood to go to the heart. I advise to keep it below the heart level in doing strikes, or at least don't raise it above the shoulders.
Happy training.
Peace in Tao.
Fhushan
Maybe I should take up this Iron Fist training, any advice before I start..? Can you use the Iron Tao training bags for Iron Fist instead of a brick as using that seems alittle foolish to me.
Posted by: Setsuna at November 4, 2005 11:38 AMIn response to "Can you use the Iron Tao training bags for Iron Fist instead of a brick as using that seems alittle foolish to me."
Setsuna Iron Tao training bags are highely recommended for begginners such as yourself. It will take years before your soft feminine hands become strong enough to do anything other than wash dishes and clean the house. For you a brick is very foolish, because in one strike that woman like hand of yours may be rendered inactive. You should continue to masturbate for about five more weeks as you currently are doing to build up some qi before partaking in the more difficult tasks, such as actually penetrating. Bricks, that is, because if I was referencing a women that would be an impracticality no women would ever touch someone as pathetic as yourself but if you spent more time learning about them and approaching them instead of holding conversations with yourself on the internet you and women may not be impractical anymore.
Happy training.
Peace in Tao.
Fhushan
Dear "Fake" Master Killer, I never left so you do not have to speak for me or anyone else for that matter. "Killer Priest you are dumb and I think God is going to send you to hell.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at November 4, 2005 02:02 AM"
Also, by judging others you condemn yourself. Judge not or you will be judged first.
Killer Priest, your history is very impressive, stick around.
Setsuna, you can use the iron palm bag for iron fist. I was taught both ways, but I prefer the traditional way with the brick. I posted some training tips on this topic. If you want to use the iron palm bag, use the same techniques from iron palm but with a closed fist. This qi kung is basically for developing the fist so you don't break you hand on your opponent's face, break his face instead. A fist as hard as iron.
Fhushan, this sounds potentially correct, but I believe you are referring to iron palm. Iron fist training is somewhat different. I've never come across problems, nor have I ever encountered the concept of "over-back-flow" to the heart. My first thought is of construction workers, maybe sheet-rock hangers who screw boards to ceiling for hours on end...and the same concept would be applied to anyone that has to suspend their hands over their head for a period of time. I would think the blood in your hands won't overwhelm your blood muscle, the heart...as blood is pumped in, the chambers pump it out. Anything you do that causes your heart rate to increase causes more blood to be pumped in and out of the heart for oxygen production. Circulation is very important in training, and everything else for that matter. Your hand is only at your head for a fraction of a second before it drops below your heart, and there should be a balance of above and below, a steady rhythm. Plus, it seems that it will only give you 8 inches of striking area, since it will be between your heart and dantien. Results would take at least double the time. Out of curiosity, where did you hear of this theory?
About dit da jow, there are innumerable jows prepared. Some are made specifically for oral use, but those that are not should not be ingested, exposed to open wounds, irritated skin, or mucous membranes.
To all, I was attacked from all sides, and I had to retreat. There was no way to win that war, no matter what I said. Pick your battles, not necessarily to win but to learn. The argument was empty and would have gone on forever. All that is on this forum is that I posted is absolutely correct.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Dear Master Killer,
Point taken. I was refering to Iron Palm training. I assumed the same might hold true for Iron Fist. I tried to read most of this thread, but, alas, I am a late commer to this conversation. I guess I am the guy who comes in at the end of a conversation and says, "What are ya talking about?" and then commments. Sad!
Good thread, most of what I read sounds accurate from what I've learned. I've studied with some guys in Southern California. Mostly Laoesians from southern Asia. I've been in China for the last two years studying Chinese medicine.
Peace in Tao,
Fhushan
A person using the email address EveryoneStillPostingis@MasterKillerexceptfor.me posted the last "fake" Master Killer comment (Moron-Buster believed wholeheartedly that Master Killer was the only one on this forum and was talking to himself) So it is safe to say that it was Moron-Buster. Since Moron-Buster pretended to be another person, lets look at an "email address" from another "fake"... MasterKiller@sadremnants.hell
"Hell" is in the "address." So if Moron-Buster pretended to be one person, then he must be all of the "fake" people...and the email addresses and posts of the "fake" Master Killer, Guard, Fhushan... all have something to do with going to hell and such, then we can assume that Moron-Buster was "God" and "Allah" and "Jesus"...and if he was all of these people, we can also say he is the rest of the skeptics.
http://www.kissaboo.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=154
type this in and scroll over the "Posted by ___" to look at the address. It all adds up. Its all interconnected.
-->Ghostface Killer
Posted by: -->Ghostface Killer<-- at November 4, 2005 10:18 PM
yeah I was all the fake people on here, I also faked taking myself (masterkiller) down and proving I was a fake. wtf? lol
Posted by: Moron-Buster at November 5, 2005 07:53 AMOh btw I didn't believe master killer was all people on here, but I figured out he was at least 3 of them. He even admited that himself in posts further above. Buy a clue and read the entire thread first. Also, speaking of fakes, Ghostface Killer? hmmmm gee where did that name spawn from?
Posted by: Moron-Buster at November 5, 2005 07:55 AMOnce I pointed out how to verify the email address you will see people started using all sorts of different addresses. Check the posts prior to that and you will see the one person only used the one email address. It was only after I showed them how they could check that some people started faking being others. I'll never fake being someone else, I am moron-buster always and the more this ghey ass thread drags on the more it shows I really did bust the morons. :) Of course there are always new ones showing up *cough* Ghostface Killer *cough* lol
Posted by: Moron-Buster at November 5, 2005 08:02 AMHello Master Killer,
Hurricane Wilma knocked my power out for 2 weeks and finally got it back yesterday, thank the Lord. So after the first week of cleaning up the yard, I had alot of free time after that. I was thinking about my iron skills. Since my method of fighting involved fists only I decided to put my time into iron fist training. I will be using the brick method as a means of external training and Wong Kew Kit internal method (hanging a sand bag and hit it relaxed while doing a her-it sound and increasing the weight gradually) instead of sand bag I will use my steel shot bag, because the external method of the brick hardened my fist considerably. Eventually I will work up to using a large sand bag filled with steelshot (300lbs?).
What are your thoughts on this Master Killer? Good? Bad?
I am not Moron-Buster I am God. I will continue to post falsifications of your falsifications because I in turn am just doing the same thing that you are doing. Tessa! I am everything, everywhere and I possesses all power. I AM GOD. FEAR ME AND DO AS I SAY. STOP POSTING ON THIS FORUM OR YOU SHALL SUFFER ALL THE PLAGUES MENTIONED WITHIN THE BOOK, IF ANYONE SO HAPPENS TO SECOND GUESS MY WORDS THEN THEY SHALL NOT SEE HEAVEN OR HELL THEY SHALL SEE....... OBLIVION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: God at November 5, 2005 03:58 PMYou think your God Moron-Buster, you are a Nigger aren't you Moron-Buster?
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Fhushan, I'm impressed that you would go to China to learn eastern medicine...very different than western. In your own words, how would you explain qi so that westerners could understand?
Fung Do Duk, this sounds like a good plan. In Hung Gar we call it the Shadowless Fist. It is so fast it does not cast a shadow, and so powerful one punch to the chest will cause a heart attack. Just imagine using iron fist and shadowless fist together, punching someone in the head or anywhere else for that matter. Also, the "one inch punch" is a by-product of this qi kung. Maybe you can figure this one out on your own. It will go great with your training.
FYI, shadowless fist and shadowless kick are popular qi kung techniques used among members of the chinese mafia.
Welcome back moron-buster. Or did you never leave? Well now, since the debate is over, will we have a new one?
Cheers,
Master Killer
I did not post the previous comment, and my name is not Tessa.
Posted by: Master Killer at November 5, 2005 08:42 PMI never left, I just stopped posting and kept watching. I had to step in when asshat Ghostface Killer spouted that rubbish though. Otherwise I have no intention of debating anymore. I'll only post when someone bullshits about me.
Posted by: Moron-Buster at November 5, 2005 09:56 PMMy kung fu is flawless I am immune to all attacks. The toad kung fu renders every attack against me completely inneffective. To get at this level of kung fu you must drink dit da jow. ALL PARTS JOW!!!!
Posted by: The Toad at November 5, 2005 10:07 PMDO NOT DRINK DIT DA JOW, YOU WILL GET VIOLENTLY SICK...PLEASE!!!!
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I did not post that last comment, although it is true for external jow. There are many types of internal jow. Anyone can buy these prescriptions in bookstores in Taiwan. But even so, internal jow should only be taken in small doses because it can still be harmful.
It seems like the "toad" is a fan of the
"5 Deadly Venoms." But as I recall, the toad was not immune to the iron maiden.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I've been sick all day today.. bad headache, throwing up ect. Ugh I hate it when this happens, However now after a few hours of rest I feel as good as new. Basically I said that to ask should I still condition my forearms, shins, ribs, and neck? Even though I was sick earlier today?? I guess I'll have to use this as future reference because I doubt I'll get an answer before I train soon. I'm still going to train today.. good to see you're back Master Killer
Thanks
Posted by: Guard at November 5, 2005 11:20 PMMasterKiller - "It seems like the "toad" is a fan of the
"5 Deadly Venoms." But as I recall, the toad was not immune to the iron maiden."
Master Killer, you recall incorrectly, the only weakness in the toads kung fu is his ears. The Scorpion threw two shurikens to hit his ears pressure points and resultantly broke the toads kung fu not completely though. His kung fu was still in effect so they brought out the iron maiden and other devices to further break his kung fu. Ultimately they used a poisonous drink to kill him. I have gotten ear guards making me completely invincible to everything. Hahahaahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Drink external dit da jow!! All parts JOW TO get strong like me!!!
~The Toad~
Posted by: The Toad at November 6, 2005 03:05 AMDO NOT DRINK EXTERNAL DIT DA JOW, YOU WILL GET VIOLENTLY SICK...PLEASE!!!!
~Killer Priest~
Posted by: Killer Priest at November 6, 2005 03:10 AMThank you Guard. If you "feel" like you should train then go ahead. You will know when you are too sick.
You are correct toad, and its been awhile since I've watched the movie. What a classic!
What style of boxing do you prefer? I know toad is not a fighting style, but there are a few techniques that refer to the toad. In Hung Gar, there is a secret form known as the 9 Poison Fist which combines Hung Gar techniques with "poison hand iron palm". Cinnabar (mercuric sulfide), red snake poison, black spider poison, centipede poison, toad poison, lizard poison (all of these from a specific species), and thunderous combination poisons.
Special antidotes are used to neutralize the poisons within the practitioner, but it is certainly not external dit da jow. The external dit da jow is "cooked" with the steel shots and then place in the bag. Incense is also used.
What is the name of the Jow that you ingest? It seems like you prefer iron body qi kung. Internal or external? If your ears are the only vulnerable spot that means you train iron crotch. One qi kung that I've never been particularly interested, and my wife wouldn't appreciated it, since you are not allowed to partake in any sexual activities. Your thoughts?
Toad, I have a question for you. Your post says to drink external dit da jow. Of course this is a mistake, maybe overlooked on your part. Understandable. But you wouldn't happen to be the person who suggested to drink jow in a previous comment by an impostor posing as Guard? Some of what Ghostface Killer says seems to be true, but I do not believe moron-buster to be "God." It seems that "God" is posting on this forum as others, not to help but to cause problems. "God" also admitted fabricating to expose me, but that debate is over...it was only truly between moron-buster and myself. I do believe that "God" suggested to drink jow as Guard. I'm seeing a connection but I give the benefit of the doubt.
One thing I know for sure, "God" will never leave this forum and will probably be the next to respond to this comment, either as himself or someone else.
To God: You may think you know all, see all, and can do all. But I AM all, because I AM nirvana...and nothingness is what makes me who I AM. And I AM you and hell, and I keep neutral, Yin Yang Qi.
I know that Killer Priest did not post that comment, because someone as me did the same.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I posted the toad comment so do not get all worked up with your "9 Poison Fist which combines Hung Gar techniques with "poison hand iron palm". Cinnabar (mercuric sulfide), red snake poison, black spider poison, centipede poison, toad poison, lizard poison (all of these from a specific species), and thunderous combination poisons."
That all is besides the point I could have continued to post more toad bullshit and continued on a unproductive bullshit conversation with you but I would rather get something productive out of you masterkiller. I gave humanity freedom of choice. With that Humans have not ceased to amaze me. Master Killer can you give me an honest response as to why you choose to continue to post bullshit on this message board?
~God
Just a little forewarning for everyone I intend on flooding the earth again because of all this chaos. I will be searching for a pseudo Noah and it's going to be just like the last one 1 male and 1 female of everything. That is unless Jesus comes back a couple more times.
Posted by: God at November 6, 2005 08:40 PMWell, I respect the first of your two posts. To me, nothing that I do is unproductive, it is a learning lesson, since all doings poses a lesson to learn. I began to like our "toad" conversation, and I had a feeling it was you. Actually, I rather enjoy reading all of your posts, whoever you comment as.
The first post of the two I got to see the somewhat "normal" side of you.
To answer your question you must completely read this post: I too give free choice through this forum. But the uneducated do not realize all of the choices to be made. I give knowledge through my experience and education, which in turn gives choices. Although, freedom of choice is not in my belief. Like I said, I am not a Christian. I believe in fate. In other words God's will is the only will. The definition of God is the being of complete ultimate power and absolute goodness, Perfection. God created evil so goodness can be recognized, but evil can never be absolute. The Ultimate Cause and Ultimate Effect is God's plan, the "meaning of life." The blueprints have already been established, and all is interconnected through cause and effect. Since God is all knowing all powerful, God knew what the first initial cause would bring to the effects fanning out to more causes with more effects (all knowing and all powerful)... to the Ultimate effect. Infinite cannot exist because there is no final ultimate effect and therefore no initial Ultimate cause. What is in motion can only be put in motion by which is already in motion...and so on to the initial mover, God. You cannot say there was no initial mover.
Perhaps not everyone who hears this word "God" understands it to signify something than which nothing greater can be thought, seeing that some have believed God to be a body. Yet, granted that everyone understands that by this word "God" is signified something than which nothing greater can be thought, nevertheless, it does not therefore follow that he understands that what the word signifies exists actually, but only that it exists mentally. Nor can it be argued that it actually exists, unless it be admitted that there actually exists something than which nothing greater can be thought.... The existence of truth in general is self-evident but the existence of a Primal Truth is not self-evident to us.
When an effect is better known to us than its cause, from the effect we proceed to the knowledge of the cause. And from every effect the existence of its proper cause can be demonstrated, so long as its effects are better known to us; because since every effect depends upon its cause, if the effect exists, the cause must pre-exist. Hence the existence of God, in so far as it is not self-evident to us, can be demonstrated from those of His effects which are known to us.
From effects not proportionate to the cause no perfect knowledge of that cause can be obtained. Yet from every effect the existence of the cause can be clearly demonstrated, and so we can demonstrate the existence of God from His effects; though from them we cannot perfectly know God as He is in His essence.
Whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.
In the world of sense we find there is an order of efficient causes. There is no case known (neither is it, indeed, possible) in which a thing is found to be the efficient cause of itself; for so it would be prior to itself, which is impossible. Now in efficient causes it is not possible to go on to infinity, because in all efficient causes following in order, the first is the cause of the intermediate cause, and the intermediate is the cause of the ultimate cause, whether the intermediate cause be several, or only one. Now to take away the cause is to take away the effect. Therefore, if there be no first cause among efficient causes, there will be no ultimate, nor any intermediate cause. But if in efficient causes it is possible to go on to infinity, there will be no first efficient cause, neither will there be an ultimate effect, nor any intermediate efficient causes; all of which is plainly false. Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God.
We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, since they are found to be generated, and to corrupt, and consequently, they are possible to be and not to be. But it is impossible for these always to exist, for that which is possible not to be at some time is not. Therefore, if everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing. Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have been impossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence--which is absurd. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary. But every necessary thing either has its necessity caused by another, or not. Now it is impossible to go on to infinity in necessary things which have their necessity caused by another, as has been already proved in regard to efficient causes. Therefore we cannot but postulate the existence of some being having of itself its own necessity, and not receiving it from another, but rather causing in others their necessity. This all men speak of as God.
Among beings there are some more and some less good, true, noble and the like. But "more" and "less" are predicated of different things, according as they resemble in their different ways something which is the maximum, as a thing is said to be hotter according as it more nearly resembles that which is hottest; so that there is something which is truest, something best, something noblest and, consequently, something which is uttermost being; for those things that are greatest in truth are greatest in being, as it is written in Metaph. ii. Now the maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus; as fire, which is the maximum heat, is the cause of all hot things. Therefore there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call God.
We see that things which lack intelligence, such as natural bodies, act for an end, and this is evident from their acting always, or nearly always, in the same way, so as to obtain the best result. Hence it is plain that not fortuitously, but designedly, do they achieve their end. Now whatever lacks intelligence cannot move towards an end, unless it be directed by some being endowed with knowledge and intelligence; as the arrow is shot to its mark by the archer. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.
As Augustine says (Enchiridion xi): "Since God is the highest good, He would not allow any evil to exist in His works, unless His omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil." This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist, and out of it produce good.
Since nature works for a determinate end under the direction of a higher agent, whatever is done by nature must needs be traced back to God, as to its first cause. So also whatever is done voluntarily must also be traced back to some higher cause other than human reason or will, since these can change or fail; for all things that are changeable and capable of defect must be traced back to an immovable and self-necessary first principle, as was shown in the body of the Article.
The eternity of God is a corollary from His self-existence and infinity. Time being a measure of finite existence, the infinite must transcend it. God, it is true, coexists with time, as He coexists with creatures, but He does not exist in time, so as to be subject to temporal relations: His self-existence is timeless. Yet the positive perfection expressed by duration as such, i.e. persistence and permanence of being, belongs to God and is truly predicated of Him, as when He is spoken of, for example, as "Him that is, and that was and that is to come" (Revelation 1:4); but the strictly temporal connotation of such predicates must always be corrected by recalling the true notion of eternity.
To say that we have free will is to say that God gives us choices, and we choose what we want. But in doing so, God does not "know" what we are going to choose, only what He wants us to choose. Therefore, God is not all powerful and not all knowing...which in-turn denounces the name of God, which by definition is complete perfection of knowledge and power. Free will contradicts the Name of God. God is outside of time, infinite, since He already knows what we are going to do before we do it...all part of the Ultimate Effect, the "blueprints."
We all have our destiny. But what if God implanted this within ourselves? There would be no "motivation," no thought of our own free will and our place in His plan would be null. Everything happens for a reason, and to not know is God's will. What is God's will is to believe in our own free will and our own choices. But God already knows what we will decide for ourselves before we do it. All knowing, all powerful, absolute perfection means God.
Let's use some deductive argument. If God is perfection of goodness, then God's will is perfect goodness. The opposite of good is evil. And the opposite of God's will is human will. So is human will evil? But let's refer to(Enchiridion xi): "Since God is the highest good, He would not allow any evil to exist in His works, unless His omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil."
Therefore, the belief that our will exists is evil, but this brings goodness, God's will... which is His Initial Cause to bring about His Ultimate Effect.
I am a Ch'an Buddhist. A Ch'an Buddhist believes the way to find the answer is to meditate. We all come from the Initial Cause, we are a part of the initial cause, therefore the initial cause is a part of us. Let's call it the Ultimate Truth. True meditation is searching yourself for the truth to the answers, since we are a part of the Ultimate Truth. When you find the Ultimate Truth you are a Buddha. There have been countless Buddhas. I believe Jesus was a Buddha. Siddhartha was a Buddha. Gandhi was a Buddha. This list is endless.
To find your answers, do not look to others, look to yourself. No one can tell you what to believe, to truly believe you have to find out for yourself. Buddhism is the path to enlightenment, a Buddha is one who has been enlightened.
God is all around. God is everything. We are a part of God, that's why we are His children. The world is our playground; enjoy it, live it, love it. The simplest answer because we are simple children. Perfect happiness is our goal, and to be perfectly happy is to have no emotional attachments to material things and expectations. Peace of mind and peace of heart means peace with God. But only if its God's purpose for you in the physical world (Yin). We are a part of God's physical body. But a balance must be kept, a connection to God's spiritual body must be maintained through meditation. There you will find the answers.
Until I die, my destiny of God's will constantly unfold. All that I do and all the happens in my life is God's will. This forum is God's will. This forum has a purpose to God's plan... whether its only small enough to give me carpal tunnel syndrome in my wrist that will later affect me and cause another small effect...or something bigger...It's all part of the ultimate plan.
Have I answered your question?
Now I have a question for you. In all honesty, why do you post as you do? Are you a Fundamentalist Evangelical Born Again Christian? I do find your posts amusing though.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Your amount of faith is appreciated but it will do you no good for what the future will entail. One truth I must tell you is that all organized religion is filled to the brim with falsifications of my word. My word lays therein all religions but it is up to humanity to differentiate the truth and the lies. Another truth I must share with humanity is that death is absolute this is all the life I am giving you, once it's gone you return to the state of non-existance which can only be described by the absence of everything, ecclesiastes 9:5 elaborates on which I speak of. I was just joking around about the pseudo Noah's Ark thing but the future of the Earth is grave. I have been trying to prepare humanity for the future events but it seems my work is not paying off, because it seems humanity is far from ready for what is in store. Also about the whole "When an effect is better known to us than its cause, from the effect we proceed to the knowledge of the cause. And from every effect... etc etc", that's all bullshit, humans cannot even begin to understand the angelic layer. Let me try to put this in the human perspective. Ok, lets take your stomach for example, it is filled with enzymes that breakdown food, they are within a closed system, yet to the enzymes it is a infinite and open system with many paths etc etc, their comprehension is limited to the walls of the stomach, They can theorize on how the stomach was created but they cannot even begin to theorize on how the human body was created because they are completely unaware of the human body they are within. That is the error in human thought, human thought is limited to the universe therefore they cannot even begin to theorize on the angelic layer but the paradox within this fixation is that it is impossible to comprehend the origin of the immediate without already comprehending the origin of the greater. Let us use the tree of knowledge for example. You find a golden seed and you want to locate its origin. You then find the fruit of knowledge and you match where the seed came from so you've found the origin of the seed but your knowledge of the seed is incomplete. You do not know where the fruit came from so you still do not ultimately know where the seed came from. You then trace it back to the tree of knowledge yet you do not know how the tree came to existance, Then you trace it back to the source, yet you do not know how the source came into existance Then you trace the source back to the angelic layer so on and so forth.
Posted by: God at November 8, 2005 12:28 AMHey all,
I went to a Kyusho seminar over the weekend. Thanks to the Qi Gung I've been practicing, I got some awesome comments from the instructors. They all said that the energy in my hands was really strong. I got to do a fire melts metal knockout on one of the instructors and revived him with the help of another instructor. It was definitely sweet.
At first I was skeptical, but when I asked to be knocked out. Instructor Evan Pantazi helped me understand what it was. He just held my hand, drained my energy and then force his own in. All I remember is that I know I hit the ground but I couldnt get up or open my eyes. The only sense that was working was hearing. Of course, after proper revival I was fine.
I learned a lot and had a lot of fun. Just wish I had an uke to practice on.
- Tim
Posted by: Tim at November 8, 2005 12:57 AMFirst of all, i want to tell those morons who dont believe in Qi, acupuncture points etc to grow up. If you dont accept this, then fair enough but dont make it out that you know everything and have sooo much knowledge in this area when you dont. Go and become an intellectual and read books about other countrys maybe you will learn something. Im born in australia from european parents however never have i been brought up to think narrow mindedly. Im currently studying Chinese Medicine/Human Biology and usually have people supporting me rather then telling me im an idiot or not normal because i study a medicine which is not mainstream. Chinese Medicine looks at healing the body from a natural/holistic prospective and martial arts is one avenue which allows the person to prevent ill health to occur. This is where Qi or vital energy comes into importance, if you dont look after it you may become ill or weak, therefore if you do daily practice of Tai Chi or other styles of enhacing qi such as those mentioned from other commentors you can become stronger, physically and mentally. Chinese Medicine is accepted in many countrys so if you actually read about its history and formation you might actually learn that some of the martial art schools and philosophical ideas formed were due to political movements. So please to those who are ignorant open your eyes to the bigger picture and get a clue...if you cant be bothered then dont offend those who do. Its rude! (I do believe in free speech however as stated previously, only if you have put time and energy to learn it, that i will read or listen to comments)
Posted by: I thought we accepted all cultures at November 8, 2005 04:27 AMGod, I realize that you didn't bother reading my post. And even if you did, its obvious that you didn't take the time to understand it. You asked for my honest opinion and I gave it. I then asked the same of you and you went completely off on some other topic. What you posted in your comment I had already addressed:
"When an effect is better known to us than its cause, from the effect we proceed to the knowledge of the cause. And from every effect the existence of its proper cause can be demonstrated, so long as its effects are better known to us; because since every effect depends upon its cause, if the effect exists, the cause must pre-exist. Hence the existence of God, in so far as it is not self-evident to us, can be demonstrated from those of His effects which are known to us.
FROM EFFECTS NOT PROPORTIONATE TO THE CAUSE NO PERFECT KNOWLEDGE OF THAT CAUSE CAN BE OBTAINED. Yet from every effect the existence of the cause can be clearly demonstrated, and so we can demonstrate the existence of God from His effects; though from them WE CONNOT PERFECTLY KNOW GOD AS HE IS IN HIS ESSECNE."
"Among beings there are some more and some less good, true, noble and the like. But "more" and "less" are predicated of different things, according as they resemble in their different ways something which is the maximum, as a thing is said to be hotter according as it more nearly resembles that which is hottest; so that there is something which is truest, something best, something noblest and, consequently, SOMETHING WHICH IS THE UTTERMOST BEING; for those things that are greatest in truth are greatest in being, as it is written in Metaph. ii. Now the maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus; as fire, which is the maximum heat, is the cause of all hot things. Therefore there must also be SOMETHING WHICH IS TO ALL BEINGS THE CAUSE OF THEIR GOODNESS, AND EVERY OTHER PERFECTION; AND THIS WE CALL GOD.
We see that things which lack intelligence, such as natural bodies, act for an end, and this is evident from their acting always, or nearly always, in the same way, so as to obtain the best result. Hence it is plain that not fortuitously, but designedly, do they achieve their end. Now whatever lacks intelligence cannot move towards an end, unless it be directed by some being endowed with knowledge and intelligence; as the arrow is shot to its mark by the archer. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.
As Augustine says (Enchiridion xi): "SINCE GOD IS THE HIGHEST GOOD, HE WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY EVIL TO EXIST IN HIS WORKS, UNLESS HIS OMNIPOTENCE AND GOODNESS WERE SUCH AS TO BRING GOOD EVEN OUT OF EVIL." This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist, and out of it produce good."
"To say that humans have free will is to say that God gives us choices, and we choose what we want. But in saying so, God does not "know" what we are going to choose, only what He wants us to choose. Therefore, God is NOT all powerful and NOT all knowing...this statement denounces the name of God. God, by definition is complete perfection of knowledge and power. Free will contradicts the Name of God. God is outside of time and is infinite, since He already "knows" what we are going to do before we do it...perfect power, perfect knowledge...all part of the Ultimate Effect."
You are blasphemous in your words, as you would put it. You criticize God's infinite power and perfect goodness..."I have been trying to prepare humanity for the future events but it seems my work is not paying off..." God does not try, and God does not work. GOD IS.
You are the enzyme and this forum is my stomach, but your faith is appreciated...it is God's will.
Tim, that's great. What was the positive criticism you received, if I may ask? I'd like to know more about your experience.
"I thought we accepted all cultures," good point. Chinese Medicine is not a "money-maker," since it focuses on targeting the root origin of the problem and not masking the symptoms by medicating and cutting, as in Western Medicine. It will be a long time before the Eastern trend catches on (Chinese).
"You have cancer so lets give you radiation and cut it out (Western)."
"You have cancer so lets find out why your body created this problem and get the body to heal itself by natural means (Eastern)."
Unfortunately, this country is held together by the hospital and pharmaceutical industries. Natural healing poses no aid to the economy so it will never be truly condoned.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at November 8, 2005 10:08 AM
I read every single word within your posts Master Killer, so your assumption is false. Also you are still posting as other people attempting to build support for your own integrity. But the fact remains that you have no integrity and from reading your posts you have no intelligence. "You are the enzyme and this forum is my stomach" - this is not a forum this is a message board forums require membership message boards are public, you do not own any part of this message board masterkiller, the moderator shs4 can delete every post here and what does that make you..?? the stomach??? Anyone who posts here can assume any identity they wish to take. there is no enzyme or stomach this is not a system this is a circus. anyone can be anything they want to be within this carnival of clowns.
That was a poor anology to the ultimate analogy you have disgraced knowledge itself Master Killer. It's when people are lied to and they accept the lie is when humanity has been defeated. The capitalist system is a lie, Religion is a lie, Hate is a lie, You are a lie. I have shared many truths with you all so I will share just a few more to elaborate what is in store for humanity. God is the earth, the earth is a higher level of life it is not an object. Humans are the supposed protectors of the earth's entirety the earth shall be invaded within the next 100 years and the people are far from ready for what they will be up against. The earth created all life within the earth. The universe is the organs of the planets, and the angelic layer is the body of the universe. That is all the knowledge I wish to share I will check the messages tommorow and if I see something worthy of response I will respond if it is unworthy of response I will not respond. Tommorow is the last time I will visit this message board after that I will never come back to post or read the messages.
+God+
Posted by: God at November 8, 2005 12:22 PMGod, you are on your own tangent, but I rather liked my analogy.
With all that I've posted, you JUDGE my intelligence on my analogy while holding to the belief that I still post as others to build myself up.... It's God's will when you admit that you are using this to take away from the fact that you do not comprehend these concepts, theories of which were born through Boethius, Anselm, Thomas Aquinas, and Averroes...the greatest theologists the world has ever known.
It is understandable and you can leave since there is nothing else on your level for you to comment on. You've revealed yourself and what you are based on, blind faith and ignorance. You have no reference or knowledge to back up your debate. Moron-buster impressed me with his resources and persistence...but I am disappointed with you.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I'm a believer in the results the training we discuss on this thread can give you, but I'm sorry Tim.. I find it extremely hard to believe someone could knock you out just by holding your hand.. I mean I've heard of a glass jaw but DAMN. Still I cannot dismiss it completely as I have never experienced it.
Posted by: Setsuna at November 9, 2005 10:54 AMSetsuna,
Yeah man, I understand your skepticism. The thing is, if I learned anything its this. You may not believe in Qi, or mystical energy, or whatever. Although kyusho and dim mak are based on energy all you have to believe in is pain. Pain to the point where your brain shuts off cause it cant handle it. Do you believe in pain? Also, if anyone would like to know a more scientific (physics) understanding of it, just ask.
- Tim
Posted by: Tim at November 9, 2005 06:55 PMI would like to hear your explanation on qi. I have my own theories but your "physics" approach to the dynamics of qi may be interesting. With all the years of training, my best teachers were my students.
Some advice to all, invest in an Inversion Table.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
All right. I'm not writing a paper so forgive me if the concepts are a bit unorganized. Here we go.
First, I'm sure we know that pressure points are actually nerves. Whether one nerve in a convenient position, or the center of two nerves crossing each other. Now, here's a brief explanation of how nerves work. The neuron has negative charge all long the surface of it. Imagine a neuron as a wire with a hollow on the inside and negative charge running along the inside of the surface. So, let's say I touch something, say these keys on my keyboard, a charge is sent through the neuron causing the inside to change to positive and the outside to negative. It works its way up changing until it reaches the brain. Of course, this happens in nanoseconds. Anyway, lets get to the point. This charge is constantly there. Another place where we have charge is in the brain and the heart. The heart is run by electricity and the brain has charge bouncing all over the place. (It kinda sucks to reduce something like brain to electrical and chemical reactions, but for the sake of simplicity we will.) Ok, lets get a larger scale. The right side for a male is positive and the left is negative. When we stand on the ground we're grounded. You might've heard people say "oh if lightning hits you and your left foot is up your better off." Well, duh, your heart is tilted to the left. When you lift your foot you change polarity. Right is negative and left is positive.
All right now lets focus on sending that charge towards something. Studies have shown that meditation allows people to control certain parts of their body. Now, one study showed someone raising the temperature in their hands. They measured this using a thermistor (measures resistance and converts to degrees). So, they found that its like sending charge to parts of your body. Also, that prickly feeling in your hands you feel when you do qi gung, is electricity. Now, for a better explanation, here is an example. There is a point on your arm called LI 10. It is a metal type point. At this seminar we did a kata with this knowledge. Strike the LI 10 with knife hand. So, the attacked was holding a knife in the left hand, he was attack on that point, and felt the current go from there to the metal object. Second time he hits the other hand and the attacked feels current from the opposite hand through the chest into the other arm and down into the knife. That is how the current moves. The neuron has its own electric field. That field is based on the amount of charge running through the neuron. Therefore, if you increase the charge, you increase the field and your current as more effect. Now when the current is higher the field is larger, thus effecting more area. By concentrating your current on a certain location, say your hands, you create the field around your hands. Therefore, penetrating your skin and possibly into someone elses. Eventually your field can get large enough that it effects that person from a larger distance.
Yeah I know this might seem a bit incoherent now, but perhaps if I do more research on it, it'll be explainable.
Posted by: Tim at November 10, 2005 01:39 AMAh Man. I thought that prickly feeling I get was my qi :(
Posted by: Fung Doe Duk at November 10, 2005 04:25 PMPain is a concept and reality I am very aware of Tim, life is pain also nice breakdown using physics.. Western Science is the ultimate..
I can't help but feel all this unexplained power is somehow evil so I keep my distance from the internal stuff.
Posted by: Setsuna at November 10, 2005 06:29 PMIt can be used for evil. Inherently, it is good. All the qi gung you do allows your brain to have a better control over your energy. Whether its hard qi gung, hitting stuff, or soft, breathing. Either one conditions your mind and body at the same time. That's why its important not to condition the wrong way and sever the nerves. You do more damage to your enemy if your nervous system is 100%.
Posted by: Tim at November 10, 2005 09:17 PMAdrenaline and Neurons are directly related to each other and are the reason for qi production.
Explanation of adrenaline: http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/adrenal/index.html
"... according to traditional Chinese medicine, the Kidney, which includes the adrenal gland, is believed to be the origin of Qi and the fundamental origin of Yin and Yang."
Adrenaline is released due to psychological and physiological stimulants. In other words, internal and external (neurons) stimulation.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
The kidneys? I wonder if someone has one removed for whatever reason if it would lower overall Qi? Also what if someone's kidneys had failed and they are on dialysis does the body stop producing Qi?
Posted by: Guard at November 14, 2005 12:22 AMI think if someone has a kidney removed then the other kidney with the adrenal gland will compensate. Now if someone is on dialysis that is a different story...what is the survival rate of a person on dialysis...and for how long? I think this would have to do with the elimination of qi along with other problems.
And how is everyones training progressing? It's time to break some boards...1...2...maybe 3? Remember, 5 boards equals 1 brick.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
I've always trained with bricks. I know that 5 boards equals 1 brick. I figured that breaking boards first would help my students, but I discovered that wood absorbs differently than brick. It is softer and less compact. If you are interested, after you break your first brick, try breaking some boards and see what happens!
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Hi Master Killer, long time no post. My training is going pretty well. I have not tested boards yet, right now im just wacking away at the brick and wont try to break anything else untill I smash the stupid little bugger. Also my gym has a 100lbs bag and I punched it once with an overhand right and the darn thing smashed into the ceiling. considering im only 5'7 at 125lbs like bruce lee :), I think thats fairly descent.
Hows your training comming along Master Killer?
hey Master Killer wuz up?!ima portuguese guy and i'd like to know if u can actually snatch out someone's eye?if so how is it done?? stay cool;)
Posted by: Pedro at December 6, 2005 10:59 PMAll 5 fingers are not small enough to fit into an eye socket, grab the eyeball and pull it out. The actual technique is a crane beak that "explodes" the eye. It is simpler and more efficient to train. Imagine in a life or death situation that lasts no more than 3 seconds in combat trying to snatch the eye would be absurd...just peck it. To practice this get an iron palm bag and, using my "iron palm" qi kung exercises previously posted, hit the bag with the crane beak...all five finger tips together. To strengthen the fingers, us my "iron snake" exercise that I previously posted. You will experience very fast results. Good Luck.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Using the meridians each of with are relsated to an elemetn fire, metal, etc, done in the proper combination and accuarte striek can cause paralisis and shock in an oppenent. i believe the five finger death touch can be done, if practiced sufficiently, dont try it at home tho kids..
Boohahahahhahaa
Wood: yin organ is Liver, yang organ is Gall Bladder, time active GB 11pm-1am LV 1am-3am
Fire: yin organ is Heart, yang organ is Small Intestine, time active HT 11am-1pm SI 1pm-3pm
yin organ pericardium, yang organ triple heater time active PC 7pm-9pm TH 9pm-11pm
Earth: yin organ is Spleen, yang organ is Stomach, time active Sp 9am-11am St 7am-9am
Metal: yin organ is Lungs, yang organ is Colon, time active Lu 3am-5am Cl 5am-7am
Water: yin organ is Kidney, yang organ is Bladder, time active Kd 5pm-7pm Bl 3pm-5pm
Qi cycle strength regulates 12 meridians in a 24 hour period. When qi is weakest in an organ, you should strike the pressure point that correlates to that organ to cause most damage.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Most Dim Mak techniques are focused at acupoints on the Du Mie (governing vessel) and Ren Mie (conception vessel). To name a few: Dan Tien, Huiyin, Tien Ling Gai, Lingtai, Jiquan, Yamen, Tianzhu, Jiache, Suigao.... All you have to do is buy a martial arts book on pressure points and practice one of the many qi kung that I have taught on this page. Cheers!
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at December 27, 2005 01:15 PMAttack your opponent's Shaohai cavity between 11am-1pm. What will happen to your opponent? Why?
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at December 27, 2005 01:19 PMThe Lingtai cavity is on the same channel. Lingtai means "spiritual station," and is located on your spine. Striking this cavity will cause the same result, which is...?
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at January 3, 2006 10:04 AMThe shaohai cavity is located near the funnybone on the inside of the arm and is on the heart channel, along with the lingtai cavity. These two cavities with many more can be struck one time to cause a heart attack. 5 times is not practical and unnecessary.
One iron palm slap to the lingtai cavity located between the 6th and 7th thoracic vertebrae will cause the heart to "explode." One iron fist punch to the shaohai cavity will cause the heart to "explode." One iron snake strike to the Jiquan cavity will cause the heart to "explode."
"Explode" means heart attack, and we have countless ways of giving a heart attack, and the "5 point exploding heart technique" is the most inefficient way.
Master Killer
Master Killer,
It was really interesting to read (almost) over this topic. I have some questions, please answer them honestly (I am sure you will).
Is it possible (or is it efficient) in such a special weaponless situation as occured in Kill Bill 2 that somebody hits the opponent more than 2 or 3 times to cause death? I mean something like this: the first punch is for a quarter-second "brain" short-circuit (to be able to do all the remain punches), the second causes a deeper brain-shock to be able to hit then 2 or 3 times again, but now to hit 3 deadly points -- just to make sure one of them will lead to victory.
I am sorry in case I am not so clear but I am from Hungary -- please feel free to ask me because my English is not so good.
There is another really important question in my life: do you know some ways to quit smoking, or make quitting easier?
Thank you in advance,
Gabor
dear master killer
in kill bill 2 pai-mai can punch through a plank of wood from 3 inches away. if you practised that every day would you really be able to do that or would you just stuff up your hands. i wanted to ask you bfor i tryed. could you use a punching bag?
Posted by: JBB at January 29, 2006 05:23 PMpetesjt, one technique can cause death. If you read over the whole topic from beginning to end, you will find many qi kung exercises to develop a "1 point exploding organ techniqe." A few comments back I posted regarding points on the heart channel. If you hit anyone of these points with a proficient qi kung technique you can cause death. Read over the whole page and you will find it.
Quiting smoking is very hard. I've help many people quit. The easiest way is the hardest, and the hardest is the easiest. Start training qi kung and eventually you will gain the willpower to quit. It may happen in one week or one year but it will happen. Cheers!
JBB, think back to Bruce Lee. One of his most famous and favorite techniques was the "one inch punch." This is the same technique. First, buy heavy boxing gloves. Start in a bow n arrow/front stance (feet together, take one and a half steps back with the right leg, left knee bent just before you can see your toe with feet parallel on a 45 degree angle. This is a kung fu front stance. Japanese and Korean is different). With your right hand in chamber on your waist, use your whole body to punch the tree (with the gloves on). Your feet, then knees, then waist, then arm, almost in one motion but feet leading the technique. Do this 50 times a day each arm for a month. Then 100 times a day for a month. Each month up to 600. On the 7th month cut the distance in half, not from your waist but halfway between the tree and your waist. Keep the amount at 600 but every month after shorten the distance until you are 1 to 3 inches from the tree. This part of the exercise will develop qi in the ligaments, joints, bones, muscles.... The other part is to develop qi in the ligaments, joints, bones... in the fist. In a previous comment I wrote about Iron fist. You can use a brick or iron palm bag.
After a year of training both you will be hitting the tree with no gloves, and a one inch punch will cause the heart to "explode" if you attack shaohai, lingtai, etc....
Happy training.
Master Killer
Hahahahahahahah thanks guys...I read through that entire damn thing and I must admit, at times I laughed so hard I pissed myself. I dont know what to make of any of it so yeah...hahaha, you all have fun. Peace.
Posted by: Justin at February 10, 2006 03:59 AMMasterkiller,
ive just started readin this convo, so i havent finished readin it yet, but how would i learn the iron shin, 1000lb kick, 1000lb horse stance and the no shadow kick techniques? i play soccer quite a lot and i know how painful it is to get kicked in the shin, so the "iron shin" sounds like it'll be invaluble to me
Many thanks
Posted by: average joe at February 17, 2006 02:17 PMPlease all of you, my son is also entertained by Pai Mei's exploding heart. ..... He had asked me if such a thing is true, and I told him no it is just Holywood, now all of you no such thing is true, even striking someone at a certain point and they die 2 or 3 days later.....just ask a physician . I have been a physician of internal medicine and a sports physician and I hope this settles all the nonsense out there.
Posted by: Rich G. MD at February 17, 2006 08:27 PMAverage Joe,
Qi kung will enhance every aspect to anyone's life. The external qi kung that you are referring to "iron shin" is very simple to practice and understand. When you strike a small area of your shin neurons receive and send signals to your brain to protect. A very small amount of adrenaline is sent. When practiced everyday, adrenaline channels are formed. The more adrenaline that flows, the stronger the channels. This is with all external qi kung.
1. Start by massaging the shin up and down and in circular motions for 5 minutes to increase circulation. Slap the area a few times.
2. Considering you've already purchased a soft piece of 1" by 1" by 3' of wood for $1.59 at Home depot or Lowes, begin by lightly banging your shin 50 times working your way down toward your ankle and 50 times working your way back up=100 for each shin.
3. Finish by massaging as with step 1.
Very simple, you will feel how hard to bang and with every day you will be to bang harder. Then increase the hardness of the wood a few times over 6 months. After 6 months insert a small pillar in the ground in your yard and kick it with your shin. Overtime increase power and the number of times you strike it. The more years you practice, the better you will get. This also works ligaments, tendons, bones, joints... so when you are 80 years old you will not loose your skills, a major problem with muscular resistance training.
With 1000lb kick, train like I told JBB to train 1 inch punch by hitting a tree...this is isometric resistance and qi kung. No shadow kick combines iron shin with 1000lb kick and adds speed training and flexibility. Very advanced. 1000lb stance is a combination internal and external qi kung and involves deep meditation, also very advanced. You are not ready for these two.
Rich G MD,
I have a ph. D in martial arts with strong emphasis on Buddhist and Taoist influence. 4000 years of Chinese cultural evolution is not nonsense, but I understand your childish approach, a common "inside-the-Westerner's-box" theory. Just remember Rich G MD, the world was once flat and Puritans burned witches!
Chinese Medicine is not a "money-maker," since it focuses on targeting the root origin of the problem and not masking the symptoms by medicating and cutting, as in Western Medicine. It will be a long time before the Eastern trend catches on (Chinese).
"You have cancer so let’s give you radiation and cut it out (Western)."
"You have cancer so lets find out why your body created this problem and get the body to heal itself by natural means, stop doing what you are doing to make yourself sick (Eastern)."
Unfortunately, this country is held together by the hospital and pharmaceutical industries. Natural healing poses no aid to the economy so it will never be truly condoned.
Once you've read this page in its entirety, you will understand. Until then, ignorance is bliss?
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Sorry to say, God's work is one thing, martial arts is another and medical examing and the anatomy/physiology and the chemistry of the human body is another, I am an Md and my specialty is internal medicine and forensic pathology. Just ask one of your top peir martial artists and they will tell you the same thing.Richard J. G. MD
Posted by: Rich G. MD at February 22, 2006 08:08 PMThey are all interconnected. The 27th patriarch of Chan Buddhism, Tamo Bodhidharma, transmigrated Chan Buddhism to China from India. A series of fighting techniques known as the 18 Lohan Fist was commonly learned by those of the Brahmin caste of India. Tamo taught the monks of the Shaolin Temple in Honan China to keep them in shape (and other minor reasons). From 528 A.D. to the present, the 18 Lohan Fist has evolved and spread throughout the world. Religion and spirituality are the highest levels of military arts.
Not long after, Taoism developed its own martial art. Taoism as a philosophy is deeply rooted in natural healing through herbs and energy. Around 1600 the two merged; Chan Buddhism as a religious martial art and Taoism as a philosophical martial art. One major style that combines both is Hung Gar.
Westerners see religion, martial arts, and medicine as separate areas. Easterners see them as the same.
Example: A student trains snake boxing by striking fingers through sand, say 500 times a day. The neurons send signals to the brain to protect the area. Adrenaline is sent to the ligaments, bones, and muscles. Easterners call this qi. While this is done everyday, the channel that the adrenaline follows becomes stronger and able to conduct more. A special medicine is used on the hands to help counteract the stress that they undergo, dit da jow, the original tigerbalm/bengay. Also an internal dit da jow is taken. Through chan (zen) meditation, the student can now control the flow of adrenaline (qi) to his fingers, and use it as an external offense rather than an internal defense. The student can strike an assailant with his fingers and cause instant death, the carotid arteries for instance. If you dig deeper into Taoist philosophy, you will find the elements chart which correlates pressure points and organs. I wrote a chart on this page.
If these top martial artists do not agree then they are not top marital artists.
The East even sees the West as being connected.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
The story of the horse is funny. This is really what happened. Ku yu cheong went with an entorage which included lau fat man from eagle claw style to meet the russian. The russian declined a challenge. Ku instead pet the mans horse on the back and belly only. Then left. A few days later the horse died. When an autopsy was done they found internal bleeding which was probably consistent with a beating the russian gave the horse since it was a circus animal or a problem with its diet since the bleeding was near the stomach and horses cannot vomit. There was no palm delivered. The rumor started the ku used cinnibar palm which he did not train. His method of iron palm was external. There are other versions of the story but most versions said he struck the horse on the back not the stomach.
Posted by: tengri at March 4, 2006 10:46 PMThe highest level of iron palm results in cinnibar like strength. A meditated movement of qi from the dan tien out through the hands without striking is the final outcome, the whole purpose in beginning any qi kung. It is the means to the end. All external qi kung ultimately becomes internal. After years of TIE SHA ZHANG qi channels are so easily able to conduct qi through chan meditation that striking the bag is not neccessary.
Whether or not the story of Kuru Zhang and the horse is true, it is obvious that he and countless others reached ultimate mastery, and to master Yang is to embrace Yin.
Cheers
Master Killer
The highest level of iron palm results in cinnibar like strength. A meditated movement of qi from the dan tien out through the hands without striking is the final outcome, the whole purpose in beginning any qi kung. It is the means to the end. All external qi kung ultimately becomes internal. After years of TIE SHA ZHANG qi channels are so easily able to conduct qi through chan meditation that striking the bag is not neccessary.
Whether or not the story of Kuru Zhang and the horse is true, it is obvious that he and countless others reached ultimate mastery, and to master Yang is to embrace Yin.
Cheers
Master Killer
GIVE ME A GOOD SIMPLE TECHNIQUE TO FIGHT STRESS
AND I WILL BELIEVE ON YOU KNOWING THE RIGHT WAY TO DEVELOP THE F.P.H.E.T.
Chan (Zen) Meditation is the simplest technique to fight stress.
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at March 9, 2006 07:05 PMthanks to a new sport/hobbie i have invented, me and my friends are constantly out an night, playing 'tag'. i heard about something called 'shinobi-iri', a technique that made the ninjas famous for their silent breaking and entering around feudal japan. however, the nearst place that teaches ninjitsu is over 40 miles away, and i cant drive. is there any way i can learn to 'move like shadows' i you will?
p.s. the advice you gave me on iron shin is working much bettr than i expected. thanks for the help
Posted by: average joe at March 22, 2006 02:22 PMWhat movie was that technique originally from? The old Kung fu movie where after 100 paces and you die, but the guy doesn't die because he keels over at 99 or something live that.
Posted by: S M Wright at March 22, 2006 06:51 PMHere is a list of Ninja books:
TITLES FROM DOJO PRESS
SECRETS OF THE NINJA (1981) softcover; 130 pages, 100 pix, $12.95; NTSC Video $29.95
NINJA MIND CONTROL (1982) softcover, 120 pages, 90 pix, $12.95; NTSC Video $29.95
SECRETS OF INVISIBILITY (1983) softcover; 110 pages, 90 pix $12.95; NTSC Video $29.95
INVISIBLE FIST (1983) softcover 110 pages, 90 pix $15.95
NINJA DEATH TOUCH (1982) softcover 90 pages, 70 pix $12.95;
NTSC Video 2 tape set $29.95 each, $49.95 set
HANDS OF DEATH (1985) softcover 90 pages 80 pix $12.95; NTSC Video $29.95
SECRET NINJA ALCHEMY (Iron Body Ninja) (1995) softcover; 150 pages, 100 pix, $15.95
DANCING NINJA MASTERS (1994) 80 pages, 60 pix, $12.95
FIVE ELEMENT FIST (1995) 110 pages, 100 pix, $12.95
NINJA STEALTH (Infiltration and Assassination) (1996) softcover 90 pages, 80 pix, $12.95
CLOAK OF INVISIBLITY (1993) softcover; 100 pages, 90 pix, $12.95
NINJA HIDDEN DAGGER (1993) softcover; 90 pages, 80 pix, $12.95
NINJA WAY OF THE SPIDER (1998) 90 pages, 80 pix, $12.95
FORBIDDEN FIGHTING TECHNIQUES (1985) 8 1/2 X 11, 120 pages, 150 pix $15.95;
NTSC Video $29.95
POWER OF NINJA QI (1999) softcover 80 pages, 30 pix $12.95
DEADLY GRIP OF THE NINJA (1987) softcover, 110 pages, 100 pix, $12.95; NTSC Video $29.95
NINJA KUMI UCHI-ESCAPES AND REVERSALS (1996) softcover 110 pages 100 pix $12.95
NINJA TRAINING MANUAL (1980) softcover 90 pages, 100 pix, $12.95
There are many qi kung that you can train, like your iron shin, to make you light fast improve reflexes strengthen eyes and ears that would be compared to that of the ninja... I will post some that can be of interest. Ninja is japanese for assassin. The Chinese also had assassins with special skills. I once met a "retired" assassin with an amazing technique. He could throw a small light 2 inch needle through a fish tank full of water with the accuracy to hit a dime from 30 feet away. He would dip the tip in poison. I know how to develop this skill. Takes 10 years to master, but if you are 18 now you would be 28 by the time you mastered it.
There are many kung fu movies that directly or indirectly refer to an iron palm technique where the master has such control over his qi that he can choose how many steps before you die. Im not sure what movie was the first but I can think of quit a few where the student who is seeking revenge fights the great master and is attacked with this technique only to barely survive with the help of another master, is then trained to fight and kills the evil master.
Cheers,
Master Killer
Hi Master Killer.
You seem to be an expert of martial arts and you obviously practive kungfu or an other art. I LOVE kung fu but i dont trust kung fu ''schools'' near where i live. I want to have the best training, and its difficult for me to trust occidental ''masters''. I thought about the Shaolin series on dvd (http://cgi.ebay.ca/SHAOLIN-SERIES-Big-Hong-Quan-Instructional-DVD-CM_W0QQitemZ9122373910QQcategoryZ617QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting)
but i dont know if i can trust it.
What should i do?
Im 17, am i to old to begin?
Thank you, and sorry for the english mistakes, i speak french.
Big Red fist #1 is a modern wushu form. It is very acrobatic and requires great flexibilty, almost gymnastic like. Good for getting in shape but not so much for combat. I do not think it is a good form to begin with, unless you plan on practicing it 10 times a day everyday.
If you are going to buy a video, try a southern style. Maybe look up WLE.com (wing lam enterprises) his forms are not bad and they are better for combat.
I believe in traditional training. Strengthen the body then learn the shadowboxing techniques. For instance, strengthen your fist and wrists and tendons/muscles in the shoulders and arms, then you can learn the form of how to use the technique. If you learn the technique before you are strong enough to use it you will injure yourself. It is like learning to use a sword that you have not sharpened yet, why bother? Build up your fists so you do not break your knuckles on someones face. I wrote about how to train iron fist somewhere in this post. Find it and use.
Chin
Master Killer
-Wisdom is a weapon with which a man may ward off destruction;
It is an inner fortress which no enemy can assail.
Wisdom will harness the mind, diverting it
From wrong and directing it toward right.
"I remember seeing something about "Qi" or some shit like it on the discovery channel or science channel or some channel..." If you do not know how to support your theory, you cannot understand the nature of qi.
This page contains 2 years of discussion with beginners to experts in the field. Your thesis is not valid and takes no shape.
READ ALL OF THE POSTS THEN EXPRESS YOUR OPINION.
Reality is like a face reflected in the blade of a knife; its properties depend on the angle from which we view it.
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at June 25, 2006 05:43 PMumm i think this is possible but it has nothing to do with the heart it has do with your ribs right now feel like right in the middle of your chest right where your ribs start you should feel something like a ball that connects both sides of your ribs if you hit someone there with only 14 pounds of pressure its not that much but you have to do it with your palm if not maby a little more pressure you'll leave them on the ground with them only having 10 mins to live.now ill tell you how it works once it hits the ball probbly one of your ribs will break and with it broken causeing your lungs to be puntcured then its pretty easy to tell what happens next the person starts to suffocate cause without your lungs you cant breath right. boom in ten mins there dead.comon if you want to learn how to kill people go to the military they'll show you it all. and no experience is needed. and by the way for people who dont know what these moves are they're called exit points.
ohh and dont be stupid and do it to a friend or to yourself i mean who would be that stupid.ohh and sorry to tell you but kill bill is the most fakest movie ever made and that 5 step and you'll die thing is fake.
People, in REAL LIFE, women arent able to kill men if they both know the same kind of fighting styles. a woman CANNOT kill a man using the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, but a man is able to kill a woman doing that. women just arent strong enough to take down men if they both know how to fight the same way (and sometimes even if the man doesn't know how to fight the same way!) THAT'S A FACT, A PROVEN FACT! the reason why the bride (Uma Thurman) was able to kill men in Kill Bill was because Kill Bill was a MOVIE expressing fictitious things. and women, don't be mad at me for saying these things, but they are facts you know! =)
Posted by: fenix at July 12, 2006 03:14 PMPeople, in REAL LIFE, women arent able to kill men if they both know the same kind of fighting styles. a woman CANNOT kill a man using the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, but a man is able to kill a woman doing that. women just arent strong enough to take down men if they both know how to fight the same way (and sometimes even if the man doesn't know how to fight the same way!) THAT'S A FACT, A PROVEN FACT! the reason why the bride (Uma Thurman) was able to kill men in Kill Bill was because Kill Bill was a MOVIE expressing fictitious things. and women, don't be mad at me for saying these things, but they are facts you know! =)
Posted by: fenix at July 12, 2006 03:21 PMThis discussion is not about proving the 5 point technique false, of which I have already done in my first few comments (It is an improbable choice rather than an impossible to acquire). Here we exchange the experience of the training techniques that have been proven to work with du mi and dim mak combat; iron finger, iron fist, etc....
Again, please read ALL of the posts so you do not sound like a broken record.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Good evening everyone. I would like to first congradulate Mr killer and the rest of you on the tactful grace with which you handle the negitive comments I see here.
Next, I have a question for Mr Killer.
When I started Hung Gar in about 1983 we used most of the training you mention as a part of basic warmup before class. As we did not have access to the bags you mention(or even know they existed if they did) at that time, we used buckets of sand, then small rocks and latter larger rocks mixed with the sand and small rocks. The buckets were left in the sun so we learned heat restance as we trained. We used closed fist (crane and dragon), tiger, leopard and snake strikes begining with gravity force then adding our own force combined with breathing excorsises for building of Chi. There were other forms of training for the building of Chi I am sure you understand concerning breathing and Chi direction to the body, no need to go into detail. We also used concrete blocks, not for busting but for conditioning of palms, fists and arms(along with a bo-staf for legs)
After nearly 20 years of vacation (work and children) from my art I now study Kenpo under a qualified Sifu and have began training Hung Gar once again from memory as my Sifu passed from this life some 9 years ago. I have noticed that fore-arm blocks and palm blocks still bruse legs and arms of attackers while sparing even after all this time.
My question is this. Do your bags work to the same extent as the old ways or is tradition still better for those with the dedication to preform the tasks daily?
BTW, do you really care if Chi can burst a heart as there will usally be no need for such drastic measures??
Thank you in advance and God bless,,
John.
The bags are the traditional Northern Shaolin way of training the hand...other schools developed other methods. Hung Gar beginning more external uses blocks and bricks but Hung Hei Guan later incorporated the steel shot bag.
I answer you this: everyone is unique physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually. With dedication, they will produce the same results. Choose the one that's best for you and enjoy. Everyday will bring faster results, 3 days a week will require more patience for anticipated results.
The potential to explode the heart is there, but there are so many factors to be considered: 5 points, 3 points, 100 points, exploding liver, exploding kidney, how to execute the stikes fast and strong enough with enough qi... there are plenty of easier ways to kill your opponent.
Best Wishes,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
I just wanted to post and say you are one of the most Knowledgeable people I have ever seen speak about the mystic arts of Kung Fu, I myself practice a form of Japanese Karate founded by Chitose Tsuyoshi Called Chito-Ryu and I have a deep respect for chinese martial arts, keep on inspiring
Posted by: Katsuchiyo at July 31, 2006 02:16 AMI've only very recently become interested in martial arts. Last week we started breaking boards. I prefer to break them with my hands, but my teacher told me that I shouldn't do it too much because conditioning your hands to break through things causes sterility. Is there anything to this? I've looked around on various websites, but I can't seem to find a verifiable source that says either way. Thank you for your time.
Posted by: gotatsu at August 9, 2006 12:56 AMPeople, in REAL LIFE, women arent able to kill men if they both know the same kind of fighting styles. a woman CANNOT kill a man using the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, but a man is able to kill a woman doing that. women just arent strong enough to take down men if they both know how to fight the same way (and sometimes even if the man doesn't know how to fight the same way!) THAT'S A FACT, A PROVEN FACT! the reason why the bride (Uma Thurman) was able to kill men in Kill Bill was because Kill Bill was a MOVIE expressing fictitious things. and women, don't be mad at me for saying these things, but they are facts you know! =)
Posted by: Fenix at August 9, 2006 01:40 PMFenix, you seem extremely heartfelt in you comment, although I have to disagree with it, yes it is a proven fact that men were designed bigger and stronger than women, but in martial arts it is not how strong you are, it is how smart you are, I for instance train with many girls in martial arts and in many situations I would guarantee that they would win a fight with some men training in the same style because their technique is amazing, so although I respect that you are trying to put logic against reality, I do disagree with your statement
Posted by: Katsuchiyo at August 10, 2006 02:54 AMkatsuchiyo, i'm sorry i disagree with you and i agree with fenix =). i'm a girl and my friends (who are girls) and i go to martial arts classes and we are all blackbealts. we train against other blackbealted men and women and everytime there is a woman vs a man the man,90% of the time, wins against the woman! and i can see why. women are not smarter than men so you cant say that martail arts is only about smarts! (in fact when i was in school, there was always "the smartest BOY in class! never the smartest girl!) those men that we train with are better at fighting than girls because men can kick and punch, etc. better than women because they are stronger and faster! im not saying that women cant win in fights in just saying that the men are better at fighting and most of the time will win!
Posted by: flava bean gurl at August 10, 2006 11:36 AMIt is not ALL about speed and strength... do not forget about timing and agility. The boxing style has much to do with it. A 5'2" 100lb woman will not succeed in judo. Northern Eagle Claw will do nicely. 6'3" 310lb male training Tae Kwon Do? I don't think so, but Hung Gar would be nice.
Drills will proved mastery of the technique whether you are male or female, and the potential is the same.
Muscle memory requires a MINIMUM of 700 times for good control of technique and a personal understanding of the combat situation. The more the better.
Traditionally, brick breaking was a test of conditioning the body for combat. For instance, if an iron palm practioner can break a brick with a palm slap, than he/she was training well and could break a persons rib with a palm slap. Modern martial arts has turned the test of brick breaking into the sport of board breaking which does not hold much combat value. Slaping a steel shot bag everyday does. Your teacher needs to teach what he/she knows. The conception vessels does pass through the hand, but too much stimulation over so many years in just the right area is as unlikely as the 5 point exploding technique. You will not go sterile, or blind... you may incur some short or long term damage depending on the process and medicine you use to condition your hands. Iron fist is the toughest of all hand conditioning (external qi kung) and never have I come across anyone with less than perfect fighting weapons, including myself.
Cheers,
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at August 13, 2006 07:48 PM
I'm confused ... how do you attack the major arteries and viens of the heart with your fingertips through someone's ribcage? I just checked my rib cage, and it's pretty solid, and the spacing between my ribs is pretty tight. Maybe a ball-peen hammer would work. Or a centerpunch. But you aren't going to collapse the blood pathways to my heart. Not to mention that if you are trying to poke me in the chest with your superstar fingertips I'll be busy kicking you in the balls and smacking you upside the head.
Posted by: MuffinEater at August 18, 2006 11:41 AMIf you are eager to disprove "iron finger qi kung" (aka one finger chan[zen], iron snake), read what I posted and try the exercise for one month...then let me know how you feel! Cheers
Master Killer
Posted by: Master Killer at August 29, 2006 06:38 PMMaster Killer, I've had an immensely enjoyable time reading through this topic, and I plan on trying the exercises you've outlined sometime in the near future. However, I want to try Ninjutsu as well. Are there any exercises you know that focus instead on Ninja skills, such as silent movement, throwing weapons, and other things of that nature? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Jimm
Posted by: Jimm at September 3, 2006 08:44 PMWhy Must you freaks learn this crap!? Especially you "MasterKiller"! Why must you live on and preach learning steps on how to kill one another? Training? GARBAGE! What is so great about knowing how to do certain techniques to gain certain "confidence"? I don't care if techniques such as "five-point etc etc etc" is real or not, why must you explore it? People like you deserves to disappear before anybody else who is stupid and insane enough to follow up with your crazy, fucked up, inhumane, wacko, nothing but violent minds and instinct. You truly are slowing down humanity and I'm afraid that if more people catches on with your preaching crap, the world would truly live in fear.
Why don't you try living with the modern world where we work, advance technology by going to school and gain "confidence" on what you are capable of with a hope of morale guidance, buy a nice home, learn to have a family, have a "Feeling" of raising kids, be happy with people with the absence of your "fighting Techniques" away from your warped life. And if you do have kids and are still in your violent theories on how to mess a human being up, then I truly am sorry for your "family".
Martial arts is not a way of life! If everybody thought that, this would truly be a violent world! Thank god that many people are practical with the way the world works.
All you people that are into martial arts and take this as part of your lives should be assassinated or do a bunch of manual labor since that's all you are good at! Even though some has a degree of whatever, you guys are still crazy! Join the army and practice your "techniques" there and help serve those who actually have meaning in their lives who are trying to enhance a bright future for young children.
You truly are one of the main culprit of declining our civilization!
Posted by: Ovelia at September 12, 2006 01:41 PMI have a simple question on internal training, I have been learning iron fist and iron forarm (1st stage) and have only been doing so for about a week. I am learning from someone who pointed me to this website and is himself quite knowledgeable. I have done very rudimentary research and some scanning of the above mentioned information. I have learned that in the chinese arts mind and body are trained together, I would like to learn more about the meditations and training of ones mind. I think this would help to further me in my training quicker and help me to develope my art.
As to the above aggrevated person, why are you here? If you hate our art then your free to leave and ignore us. We don't roam the streets striking people in the chest and killing them, we train because it is an art, thus the name. Martial arts has brought me atleast a sense of accomlishment, dedacation and confidence. If something can develope me in physical, mental and spiritual senses then I see no problem with it. Although I am sure MK will have a far better response to your attack then I.
Posted by: Disciple at September 13, 2006 11:42 AMI have a simple question on internal training, I have been learning iron fist and iron forarm (1st stage) and have only been doing so for about a week. I am learning from someone who pointed me to this website and is himself quite knowledgeable. I have done very rudimentary research and some scanning of the above mentioned information. I have learned that in the chinese arts mind and body are trained together, I would like to learn more about the meditations and training of ones mind. I think this would help to further me in my training quicker and help me to develope my art.
As to the above aggrevated person, why are you here? If you hate our art then your free to leave and ignore us. We don't roam the streets striking people in the chest and killing them, we train because it is an art, thus the name. Martial arts has brought me atleast a sense of accomlishment, dedacation and confidence. If something can develope me in physical, mental and spiritual senses then I see no problem with it. Although I am sure MK will have a far better response to your attack then I.
Posted by: 1 of 3 Disciples at September 13, 2006 11:45 AMThank God for giving us the edge to win the war of the species...or thank evolution for giving us the edge to win the war of the species...or thank luck for giving us the edge to win the war of the species.
We human animals have fought our way to the top of the food chain. War is part of who we are... if it wasn't, there would be no war. If we were creatures of peace there would only be peace. There will never be complete peace...there has never been and there will never be. It is not meant to be.
War is not beautiful. What comes from war is beautiful; peace, technology, a better understanding of the self, spirituality...all great breakthroughs have come through war.
Martial=military---Arts=an expression unique to the experience of HUMAN. Only human beings can take something so brutal (war) and bring it to something of beauty. An art allows us to understand ourselves.
War is inevitable...it is only human nature to express through an art.
Why would a priest learn to fight? As the thorn defends the rose against the ignorant trying to steal it...
..."IGNORANCE promotes WAR"
I train martial arts to protect my family. A country will train in martial arts to protect its people.
Those who are ignorant are those who do not understand. Do you remember the salem witch trials...or how about 9/11? IGNORANCE.
You may want to become "unignorant" before you try to burn something.
Best Wishes to you Ovelia,
Master Killer
to all of you unbeleivers out there - there is such a thing as a iron fist punch that explodes the heart. Trust me. I know personally. I survived the punch.
so, you all can stop the ridculous chatter that has gone on for almost a year and do something that matters, like send a care package to one of our true men of america - our soldiers.
Posted by: survivor at September 16, 2006 11:11 PMYou've survived a punch that exploded your heart? Wow, given that you can live without blood for all of about three seconds, you would have had to find a good donor heart in one second, have it transported to you in another second, and have your own exploded heart surgically replaced with it in another second! Well, I may have some faith in America's doctors, but definitely not that much.
Seriously, did you even THINK when you wrote that nonsense!? And on another note, did you even read through the whole topic? No, of course not. You just looked at the dates. Nice work, detective dumbass.
Posted by: Jimm at September 18, 2006 01:55 AMAnd BTW, it's gone on for MORE than TWO years.
People these days can't even do simple math, I see.
Posted by: Jimm at September 18, 2006 01:59 AMhi master killer i just want to know how to train for the iron fist?and is drunken boxing something that is a good technigue to know
Posted by: j.r jeezy at September 18, 2006 08:22 PMj.r jeezy, Anything can be a good technique to know, it just depends how you use it and the skill level you have attained from training. :) just thought I'd throw that one in there.
Posted by: Tarou at September 25, 2006 09:37 AMOlevia I bet the the master killer doesnt run around in a expensive car or have a million dollar house, that idea fuels the american economy. got to have this and that which in the end OWNS you. Its good to have different philosophys I for one prey on your philospy to have nice things so when you get rid of your expensive things I buy it so its worn out, battered ,seen better days I have no need to impress anyone! now i can use my money and time to do what i really want to do spend quality time with my family work in the garden have or share my philosophy What if the world is a Matrix run by wallstreet?.
Posted by: Paul at September 26, 2006 03:32 AMjrjeezy I teach iron fist qi kung here on this page...drunken boxing is a beautiful fighting art. If you really want to learn it and think you can, you will. There are many books and instructional videos on this style of boxing...buy them and use them. Follow the techniques to the finest detail and you will master them.
Jimm, ninjitsu skills are not hard to come by. In chinese terminology there are yin qi kung (nei dan) or yang qi kung (wai dan). Wai dan qi kung would be iron palm, iron fist, iron shin, iron arm, etc. Nei dan qi kung would be types of moving meditation and projecting qi past the body through mastery of wai dan. Officially, these are called the 72 Consumate Arts of Kung Fu. You can research this to find what you are looking for. As for throwing weapons and instructions, they are easy to find as long as you have a search engine. I once met a former chinese assassin, an aquaintance of my uncle. Through mastery of his throwing kung, he could take a 2 inch needle and fling it 30 feet through a fish tank, and you could see it sink to the bottom. Imagine what he could do with some poison.
Cheers,
Master Killer
lol spam.
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stop pie ok?
Hello. I want to say a few things to all the critics. Martial arts is truely life changing I have always been interested in the Chinese and Japanese way of life and martial arts is a significant part of the eastern way of life. It's art and it's culture to attack a culture is dispicable. I have not trained in a few years now it's just hard to get back into the routine but I will. Originally I wanted to do martial arts to make me a better fighter but through training I found that that didn't matter to me any more as I found the training to be a spiritual experience and now I have been drawn into healing which is also a part of the martial life (Most masters make their living by healing people). So from origionally wanting to be a better fighter now I just want to help people.
As for the 5point exploding heart Dim Mak can kill but as said before not in the way the film depicts it. The Russian Special Forces used to be trained in Dim Mak and was treated as pure fact. Pressure points can be used non leathally to immoblise very effectively and efficiently requiring very litte force, so to stun your opponent with one strike gives the openning to deliver a leathal point combination. But Dim Mak is also a very useful tool in healing as one can open blocked meridians using Dim Mak. I am sorry to disagree with you Master Killer on this matter but qi is not adrenaline and it is the qi which is shot through the fingertips (so no resistance training is necessary and resistance training anyway does not produce as good results as qi kung in strength training) to cause the blockages and deterioration of the meridians. As a Taoist which I think you claim to be you should have a better understanding of what qi is than you do. Qi is not individual in any one person but qi is what makes up everything in the universe we draw in and expend qi, qi is what is being studied in Quantum Physics at the moment of what exists between matter as matter is never a solid substance, my belief after alot of study into the nature of qi is that God lives in us all and God is qi. Most masters will tell you of qi being your spirit and soul, so my belief is not exactly brisging a large gap in this belief, when we die our energy source lives on and we either become pure energy which is qi and thus become a part of God or we are reincarnated or sent to hell. As for the Iron palm training etc I fully recommend your methods however personally I would rather concentrate on internal qi kung although I always have done conditioning work in my training. In respect to Iron palm you are obviously very knowledgable my interest as a healer is do you have any recipes for dit da jou?
To the people saying get a life try our way of life it is a better quality of life than you could ever have with all the money in the world, before I started training I was an angry bigotted selfish nasty person but now I am the total polar opposite to the person I once was and I am so glad of that.
To Master Killer my criticisms of some of your views aren't meant as an attack against you it may be your beliefs but from what I can see it is trying to use science to explain something that science has not been able to explain
Posted by: Chris at November 22, 2006 08:34 PMI WILL NEVER STOP!!!! MUHUHUHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
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thank you pie follower! me, fenix, pie2, `, and a couple of other people are doin this fad! thanks man , and remember that ` is your friend. (please note, i am actually not pie follower, this is a differant person that i do not know)
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goodbye for know everybody! and happy december 1st!
BLANK POST
ROFLLMAOOMGWTFBBQ!!! MY NAME ISNT LISTED!!! ITS ALL JUST SPACEBAR PRESSES!!!!!!!!!!! lolololololOMGROFLLMAOOMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLAGE AND ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(not caps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
if you didnt understand it in the last message, i said that i am NOT pie follower, he/she is a person that i do not know. i am serious.
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if you didnt understand it in the last message, i said that i am NOT pie follower, he/she is a person that i do not know. i am serious.
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wait... i dont know if i am pie follower or not.. i forget..... uh....
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all for now =)
wait... i dont know if i am pie follower or not.. i forget..... uh....
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all for now =)
wait.... im probably not "pie follower" i can remember though. i didnt pay much attention lol.
bye for now
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in the last post i made i meant to say i "CAN'T remember though" not "CAN" all for now =)
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Posted by: pie at December 13, 2006 04:59 PMhey guys! why is no one else posting? ever since "pie" came around nobody else has posted a thing!!! wtf?!
Posted by: lol at December 27, 2006 11:05 AMWHY IS NO BODY ELSE POSTING?!?!
WHY IS NO BODY ELSE POSTING?!?
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jesus you guys are really fucking gay. "oo its so funny to post a blank space" you guys can suck my balls, you anal rocketeers. ps, i all hope someone jams toothpicks in your eurethras.
Posted by: your all gay at January 8, 2007 03:24 PMMASTER KILER
i know the five point palm doesnt work not the way your trying to teach it. a much easer way to have the same effect is a full forse hit on the hart will do the same.
it is way easer and it doesnt nearly as much time to use
lacking technique
BOO
the eye riping out thing is really and you dont need any training for it
wow i need to wach what i type before i eneter it
Posted by: lacking technique at February 7, 2007 10:58 AMWhat I am teaching here is not the 5 point technique.. iron palm and qi kung are the keys to wisdom. Please understand the whole topic before you post. Unfortunately, I am unable to write as much as I would like... family and kung fu are my only focus. I will periodically monitor this page for training errors and questions regarding ALL aspects of kung fu and respond according to my personal agenda.
Cheers,
Master Killer
Dear master killer,
I have read a bit of what you preach but have yet to come threw everything, and have learned a drop of water from what you can teach. However at the moment I am not a kung fu student seeing as my teacher has children and a job leaving him with not time.
I was wondering more on the meditative side. I am often harried and distracted. I can't concentrate and often suffer with self control issues. I am aware you have knowledge in Zen Buddhism and would like to know what advice you can offer me? From what I read from other sources meditating can be very helpful.. can you give me advice? tips? teach?
Also if I want to get back into the kung fu, what should I do?
sincerly,
A Former Student
Master Killer can you teach me how to meditate?
I find I am distracted and lack in self control, I believe this can help me. I was reading along looking for answer but this is a mountainous amount of knowledge and I am not well enough educated in Buddhism, Taoism or Kung fu to understand much of it.
Also I was training until my Sifu (forgive if i have spelled it wrong) was unable to teach me any more. I still have a book of what he had taught me tho it is only a few pages. Looking back on the training I was not as eager a student as I should have been, but miss what I had learned and would like to learn more, what can I do or should I do?
Posted by: Former Student at April 19, 2007 02:08 PMI am sorry for the double post, my computer is broken. The points in the post are the same. again I am sorry.
Posted by: Former Student at April 19, 2007 02:10 PMThis is a very informative thread. Master Killer and everyone else who asks provocative questions, thank you.
Posted by: Tofusensei at April 22, 2007 06:26 PMWow reading interesting stuff like this really makes me wish i was not so damn lazy and did a martial art.
I tryed aikido once for like a week but my mind was not ready for it i took nothing in and thought i was wasting time :/
Too late now tho i smoke like a fright train these days im so unhealthy altho iv started doing weights to try strengthen the body but id love to train the mind more then the body
Wheres the best place to start ? I know it sounds like a stupid question but u gota start some place and i dont know what that is anything i can read that aint too indepth to start with ?
Thankyou
Julian
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I am back with more wisdom from my continued path of knowledge...unfortunately the more I become enlightened, the harder it is to explain. Bruce Lee once quoted "...it is like a finger pointing at the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory..." Meditate on that:
*find a comfortable chair or lay down
*breathe in through your nose and
out through your mouth
*as you breathe in imagine the air filling
your lungs from top to bottom. As you
breathe out imagine all of the air coming
out of your lungs and relaxing them.
Repeat this 5 times with the count 1 on in
and 2 on out. 3 on in and 4 on out and so on
*This is how you relax your whole body.
Breathing is a voluntary and involuntary
action, so as you concentrate on your
breath your mind is clear...it will wonder
for many weeks but eventually your mind
will be completely clear.
*To relax the rest of your body start with
your feet(gate 1 section 1...breathe in on
count 1 and out on count 2. Same as with
your lungs imagine your feet are filling
with air and as you breathe out the air is
releasing and relaxing your feet...like a
balloon.
*Move on to your shins and calves(gate 1
section 2), then knees (section 3), then
quads and hamstrings (section 4), then
glutes (section 5),then groin (section 6).
*Since you have relaxed gate 1, now make gate
1 its own section. Breathe in beginning
with section 1 filling up your feet. Then
section 2, section 3, section 4, section 5,
section 6...all in the same inhaled
breath. As you exhale, begin with section
6 and as the air flows out it relaxes
section 6, then section 5, section 4, 3, 2
1 all on the same exhale. A true "breathe"
is from the diaphram but that naturally
comes with time and is not a major concern
yet but must be addresses. Now gate 1 is
relaxed
*Repeate process with Gate 2: consisting
first of the abdomen 1, then chest 2, upper
back 3, lower back 4. Bring each part of
gate 2 together as with gate 1.
*Now its time to combine gate 1 and gate
2...begin with your feet (gate 1, section 1)
all the way to gate 2 section 4. Breathe
out starting with gate 2 section 4 and feel
the air pass through each section to gate 1
section 1.
*Gate 3 begins with your hands 1, forearms 2,
bicepts and triceps 3, shoulders 4. Combine
the three gates.
*Gate 4 begins with your traps 1, neck 2,
front and back of face 3, head and brain 4.
*Combine all 4 gates.
*The final gate is internal organs. down
the spine 1, kidneys 2, stomach 3, heart 4,
lungs 5.
*Combine the 5 gates. Then bring all the
gates together and now your whole body is
one. Feel your whole body expand and
contract as one...feeling every part of
your body.
*Your mind will wonder but thats natural
Cheers,
Master Killer
heart 2,
Kung Fu is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory. I have no secret methods. I know no diplomacy save that of truth. I may be unconsciously led astray for ahwile, but not for all time[Bruce Lee and Ghandi]
The finger pointing represents the Master and his guidance, the moon represents attainment of Kung Fu, the heavenly glory is the FEELING once attained, and the distance between the finger and the moon is the hard work. Don't think, just feel. Most people focus soley on the finger and its "secrets." There are no secrets in Martial Arts, just constant practice.
Meditate on this concept
Cheers,
Master Killer
Master Killer,
My bumbling fingers hit the wrong keys and I lost all that I previous wrote. What follows is short version and btw thank you for continuing this discussion I have been quietly reading for a long time now all that you shared.
Wanted to ask what can be done to ease pain in my knees that were hyper-extended years ago, still got full mobility and stretches still feel good. Should a person of 57 years old be worried about doing these iron palm exercises and getting arthritis?
Sincerely,
Garland
Master killer is it okay to practice iron palm with tiger balm I have already mastered the Bagua vibrating palm technique.I just dont want to mess with my hands.
Posted by: steve at August 19, 2009 11:57 PMIve been away for awhile. I joined the Marine Corps for many reasons one of which was to learn true combat. What ive posted is an amazing guideline to practice martial arts and control the mind in situations most people couldnt even begin to imagine. I see things differently. what ive gone through has caused me to be reborn. I will post again soon.
chin,
Master Killer
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